You are right -- lousy analogy & my logic was flawed. Very few ppl think losing weight is impossible. The ones who do, won't lose weight. When I first read your answer I thought it was one of the best explanations I've heard for not being able to manifest what we've been taught to believe is impossible. Your paradox theory would have been a good answer to the member who wished to grow 8 more inches at age 27. I think I found fault because I was thinking about how I interacted with him & (cont)

(cont) & & what I should have done differently.. My vibes were a bit down...

@ele It's funny you mention that topic, because that's actually the post that I found InwardQuest through. I was highly interested in manifesting physical appearance type changes and controlling physical matter type stuff and I came across it in a google search about a little less than a year ago before I just started posting a few months later.

Maybe you are thinking of someone else. I was talking about a member who joined on Christmas Day 2012, who we haven't heard from since June. As for you thinking about manifesting changes to your physical appearance -- hmmm, I have this image of you as a very good lookin' dude..

Yeah it was totally around that time. This one right? http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/67528/how-can-i-as-an-adult-grow-significantly-taller

I am not really that bad looking lol, but I have always been interested in being able to change physical appearances or morph anything physical. I always thought that kinda stuff was cool.

Ah man now I have to share a few stories lol, here we go, When I was teenager I was really hardcore on trying to do telekinesis and mind over matter stuff.

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I had this experiment I was trying out with turning my eyes (which were really dark brown) to that cold gray steel blue color wolves have. I couldn't ever get them to change to the color blue, but what was very interesting was that they would turn green or light green.

However they would only stay that way for maybe up onto an hour. I attempted it a bunch of times and could only get them to green at best, but I remember my gf at the time who was totally oblivious to what I was doing and...(P2)

asking me what the hell I did with my eyes that they were a different color than normal. -I thought that was too cool.

-And actually I totally did try another experiment with growing taller a few months back, but it was not easy to pull off, I actually was hoping to be able to post pictures and show the guy from the post, "There, did it, yes you can do this."

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But the same deal happened where it only lasted for a little bit. It lasted a little longer though, like only for a few hours and I know I could of gone for more length, but it HURT so much because I felt where the bone connects to my kneecaps were literally stretching. It was super, super, painful. It was really hard to walk too, I felt like I was trying to relearn to walk again because my legs were slightly longer then what I was use to. But that small amount was enough to really

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mess up my balance. It felt like I needed a cane to walk. I fell over a bunch of times because I kept over stepping simple walking movements, almost tripped and smashed my face into a desk.

The way I did it though was different than the eye thing though. I basically induced myself very close into the astral state of consciousness, but not fully in, just the edge up unto it and then i visualized the bones growing and stretching...and by jove thats exactly what i felt lol, super painful.

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I remember actually having my feet that was lying at the edge of the futon I was lying on go past off the edge of the futon and extend out over onto being rested on the floor past the futon.

The best part though was when I went to go see my Dad and sister an hour later, when I showed up my Dad stopped and looked me up and down and asked me, "Did you grow?..you look taller."

I wrote like a 5 pager documenting everything from this whole experiment. Soooo interesting,I'd write more, but its a lot

plus i've probably already killed your email inbox too with messages by now just from this lol.

"killing email box" - No this was very, very interesting -- IQ doesn't forward emails any longer unless they are written under your own questions. I didn't receive any mail. I wish they would go back to the old ways. I'm still waiting for a couple ppl to reply to my ?'s. Sure they never saw them. Yes, we were talking about the same person. I missed the word less. I've been interested in telekinesis since I was young. Never tried to change my physical appearance; but had some amazing (A)

(B) results especially when combined with the efforts of dif ppl. Perhaps you'll be the first to manifest the 'impossible'. I wonder if you could also create the "illusion" of change. Funny about the "growing pains". They say growing pains are the result of your bones growing too fast. Will you try it again? Wolf eyes -- kind of eerie. Thanks for sharing -- keep me updated..

Interesting! Hmm some amazing results when combined with the efforts of different people? Please do share :)

I know in China for the treament facilities they have that rely completely on healing with affirmations and the mind over matter will of the Doctors, that they say when more people attempt to manifest the same thing, it is not just multiplied, but exponentialized. Which is why they will have 3 or four doctors trying to "will" the cancer away on cancer patients.

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I will most definitely try the growing one again in the future. For the wolf eyes, It was actually two different type of eye colors I was going for. Bright purple and the Wolf colored ones. I chose those two because I knew I would be able to for sure detect a difference if they did change, since those colors are extremely different from my natural eye color.

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Please keep us updated - this is very interesting & I can't wait to hear more about your methods. Chinese energy medicine as well as reiki angel healing & the power of group prayer - all examples of energy being exponentialized. I loved how you expressed it "it is not just multiplied, but exponentialized" like a swirling vortex of cosmic spiritual energy. Really makes sense if you think about it.. Thanks .. BTW I'm going to link this answer to flow's question.

"I basically induced myself very close into the astral state of consciousness, but not fully in, just the edge up unto it and then i visualized the bones growing and stretching...and by jove thats exactly what i felt lol, super painful." - I am experimenting with something similar. I managed to acquire galantamine and, when I use it properly, it helps a lot in inducing projection experiences (though I'm not always as "lucid" as I would like). I have twice measured myself in a "dream" as taller.

I have once done a "growing" meditation but my consciousness was not quite focused. Basically I started "falling" through a tunnel very fast and attempted to enter a full lucid to experience the goal more broadly (not just feel myself to be growing). Instead I found myself in a game-like world with some grey monsters and lost control. I think trying to do a full lucid dream in which I experience a complete reality is not working well for numerous reasons so I'm going to focus on just the growth.

I do not believe however in the "you have to not care" idea. Nobody would manifest anything if they didn't care. I believe it has more to do with identification. When I was overweight, was not focused on it yet had a preference for being leaner, I remained overweight. I had to recognize that I was not who I wanted to be, feel the pain of that, reject the body I had then attach myself to my ideal let the joy of the attachment to my ideal overshadow negative emotions about the fat. Contrast helps.

That is, the joy of my future identity overpowered the pain of my present identity. The fat was no longer "real" in my experience because most of my focus was on the future identity. Thanks for helping me clarify this to myself.

The problem that might take place is when lack of faith makes that future identity unstable. Since the present (natural, currently observable) identity is by definition stable and it automatically takes your attention, if the future one is not stable things are tough. I had complete faith that I could lose the weight so had no excuse to think of my future self as anything other than lean. With other issues, that was not at all the case.

Wow that is a very amazing out of the box approach. Very clever with using Galantamine to up your odds in attaining the astral and lucid dream state much easier. I had never heard of someone using that for this until now.

My whole original goal was not even to grow myself though for that particular time I was talking about. I was at the time attempting to astrally project and mid-way I had something extra-terrestrial happen that completely through me off course.

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I then realized though that this deep trance state that I was still in would be an awesome opportunity to take advantage of before it ended. I had earlier actually researched and watched some videos on bones growing so I could have a good visualiztion to make the manifesting of this seem more logical to me in my mind when I was going to attempt this. Here is the video that I actually pulled a lot of my visualization from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plvd7eslg-Q

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Another thing that I completely forgot to mention was that during the experiment when I was feeling and seeing in my minds eye that my lower part of the body was growing, my heart rate shot up really high and I cannot remember if I started sweating or not, but my body was definitely doing something very unique. I have read countless accounts of people experiencing this same similar thing when they are being miraculously healed of a defect that seemed physically impossible to cure.

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Same thing too with people who are induced into a very deep, deep, hypnotic state where they are either so deep that they are in either in a deep subconscious state or sometimes on other levels what is know as the Somnambulistic state in which is far deeper and the patient/person talks about themselves completely in third-person and can answer things that their conciouss version of themselves has no knowledge about. When they are in these states the hypnotist will suggest to their

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higher consciousness to heal the physical ailment that is within them. Sometimes the Higher concioussness will say no, and explain why it is necessary for this person to have this ailment, other times the Higher conciousness will agree with the hypnotherapist and then what will happen is that the hypnotherapist report seeing the person go through immense sweating, like the body is working really really hard, but alas the physical ailment will be cured in moments. Very interesting stuff.

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If you want to learn more about that kind of stuff, check out Dolores Cannon. She is a super interesting person. She is pretty much the one who has been leading the way on that kind of stuff from what I know.

Anywho, I think I may have gone a little off topic. So I was actually gonna just share my journal from the experiment on here so you and maybe anyone interested in it can read through it, since I know there is lots of more detail in that then what I explain from memory.

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Ok here it is. http://www.adrive.com/public/kv6KaS/AsttralProjecting_Journal.txt

I feel really shy and a little weird sharing this, but whatever I won't let that stop me from sharing some possibly really useful and helpful information. It's the second entry in there, 6/9/2013. I curse a bit in real life and I didn't really care too much about spelling as you'll see in there because I am mostly just quickly jotting down the experience right after I have them.

Cool stories. I'll be doing another session tonight or tomorrow; will share the results. I feel empowered.

@flowsurfer Thanks! Awesome, keep us updated :)