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Last week there was lots of wind! And someone told me that a nest had fallen from a tree. So I went and looked at it. I have put it back in the tree so the bird could still use it. The person told me that it served for nothing because the bird would not return. Well the bird has returned and made some eggs but the nest has fallen down again. So what is the meaning in this? It was meant to fall down?The good action that I have done has served it's purpose and it proved to the other person that what was said was wrong?And it told me that next time I need to make the nest more strong so it does not fall? What do you think about this?
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I know this doesnt sound very spiritual but i must agree with your last comment. Make the nest more secure! Im a firm believer that spirit acts on matter,this world does exist and some unbelievably strong force must have reached out from spirit and created matter and then moulded that same matter. However i have noticed in my time on this earth that matter also acts on matter.If you had secured the nest better the physical laws of this created universe would have saved the nest from its fall. I do differ from some on this site who believe that we create " ALL " of our own reality.I believe we create some,but i believe we are still subject to a certain extent by natural laws and sometimes the will and belief of others. Perhaps our realities,and the birds reality were affected by a mixture of these factors. Its not a view held by all,but there it is. Your life may well be subject to many spiritual laws and forces. But its also subject to some physical ones too. Gravity took the nest in the end after all. Monty yes mixture of all this factor monty i agree with that!yes when i put back the nest in it it was still a wind day the branch moved alot i add put it where i saw it as the best place in the tree to my knowledge!next time will tie it to the tree!
(02 May '11, 19:31)
white tiger
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everything has meaning, from a small (or what you BELIEVE is small) gesture like replacing a nest. or moving you and yor family to a whole other country, it is all for a reason and it all serves a pourpose. The inner/higger self alwasy gives yuo signals so that you can have these little hints. love n light, rob yes rob and how can one see those little hints if he is stuck in belief and concept! in the veil of the mind!
(02 May '11, 20:50)
white tiger
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This reminds me of a story. Something like this... A woman who was having trouble at home with her husband was a woman of faith and very involved with the local church. One day whilst talking with Pastor Jim, she confided in him her problem. The Pastor then told her to call Father Tim for he could help her. He was known for doing a good job mending broken marriages. The woman called the next day only to hear he was not in. She tried again in the morning but he was giving service. She waited 2 days and tried later in the evening to try to catch him but this time he was out running bingo. So flustered the next day she called Pastor Jim. "Pastor, Pastor, I have tried to call Father Tim many days at different times and I cannot reach him." "Maybe this is a sign that I need to look inside myself for the answer." The Pastor responded... "Maybe this is a sign that he is just not home." The moral of this story is that sometimes we look at events as if they have some underlying meaning or reason. Like the woman who thought that the priest not being available to her had some deeper meaning when in all actuality there is NO hidden meaning in him not being available. He just was not available. We sometimes look past the obvious for answers. this story is not possible om because if she was trully a women of faith she would have obey her husband!Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
(02 May '11, 06:45)
white tiger
Bride: I,__, take thee,__, to my lawful wedded Husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and to obey, till death us do part, according to God's holy ordinance; and thereto I give thee my troth.
(02 May '11, 06:48)
white tiger
if she loves cherish him and obey! then the husband would have come to see the pastor to get some wisdom to solve is problem!
(02 May '11, 06:53)
white tiger
ok. I tried....
(02 May '11, 07:07)
you
and for your story yes she would have done better to look in her self!as for the pastor that send her to another pastor that his not able to take care of the sheep it is pretty weak!
(02 May '11, 07:32)
white tiger
White Tiger...again no offense ( i know it must seem that im getting on at you) but dont you see the point of what OM is saying? No offense mate but the answer was quite witty and perhaps a little tongue in cheek.Youve come back at OM with of load of quite out of context scripture.Out of context and out of content to this conversation.Im not sure why your doing this, is this you talking or are you reciting this from someone else? If so who?
(02 May '11, 18:09)
Monty Riviera
well om told me a story that as no sense! if she would have been a women of faith she would not have gone to talk to the pastor she would have obey her husband! and as i say yes she should listen more to her self inside! because booth pastor seam to not take care of the sheep!one is not qualified enuff!and just swing people to the other pastor that is never there to do what he is suppose to be good at doing!
(02 May '11, 19:38)
white tiger
A boy asks a friend about a secret fishing hole and the friend tells the boy to see the old man on the hill and he will tell you about the special place. The boy looks for the old man on the hill and after weeks of seeking him he gives up. The boy goes back to his friend and says "I am not meant to see the special fishing hole for I can not find the old man" The friend replies, "No you are, you just forgot to ask me where the old man lives"~ Same premise for this story Mr. Tiger. Do you see now?
(02 May '11, 20:01)
you
om the deeper meaning was to look in her self! this as lots of meaning!
(02 May '11, 20:54)
white tiger
yes of course he could have ask him where he is! or he could have look in him self and find him!
(02 May '11, 22:24)
white tiger
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." do you understand this om!
(02 May '11, 22:26)
white tiger
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
(02 May '11, 22:28)
white tiger
Knowing others is wisdom; Knowing the self is enlightenment. Mastering others requires force; Mastering the self requires strength; He who knows he has enough is rich. Perseverance is a sign of will power. He who stays where he is endures. To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.
(02 May '11, 22:42)
white tiger
Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time.
(02 May '11, 22:59)
white tiger
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These excerpts may help. You do not understand or percieve the ways in which your reality contributes to the foundation of the mass-world reality that you experience. Unconsciously, each individual particiates in forming the world. You are biologically and psychological predisposed to contribute on all levels to the fullfilment of your species - but more than this, to add your own unique viewpoint and experience to rhe greater patterns of consciousness of which you are part. The job of trying to make the world better seems impossible, for it appears that you have no power, and any small private beneficial actions that you can take seem so puny in contrast to this generalized ideal that you dismiss them sardonically, and so you do not try to use your power constructively. There is nothing more stimulating, more worthy of actualization, than the desire to change the world for the better. That is indeed each person's mission. You begin by working in that area of activity that is your own unique one, with your own life and activities. You begin in the corner of an office, or on the assembly line, or in the advertising agency, or in the kitchen. You begin where you are…When you fulfill your own abilities, when you express your personal idealism through acting it out to the best of your ability in your daily life, then you are changing the world for the better. Source:The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events (A Seth Book) I found them all drunk, and I did not find any of them thirsty. My soul ached for the children of humanity, because they are blind in their hearts and do not see, for they came into the world empty, and they also seek to depart from the world empty.But meanwhile they are drunk. When they shake off their wine, then they will change their ways.’
(17 Jul '12, 16:41)
white tiger
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I think you may be reading something more into this than you need to or maybe the real issue is between you and the other person... why would one of you need to be right and the other wrong ?
well michaela if some one say something about something and it is not so then it is wrong! wrong could be seen as not true or incomplete!
'Wrong' is merely someone's opinion being different to ours or something that doesn't work for us... what's 'wrong' for us could be 'right' for someone else :)
wrong is not opinion it is saying something that is not true or incomplete!
opinion is someone view point on something!
The meaning of it is whatever meaning you decide and choose to impose upon it. Anything else is looking for justification or confirmation of your belief from an outside source. There is no outside source, so the meaining is always up to you.
no belief eddie the meaning is what it is understood and let to rest! as for outside source from me is the father(god) and all the brother(other counscience child god)!
When you ask So what is the meaning in this? you are asking father(god) and all the brother(other counscience child god) right? And when we, who, in your own estimation are the external source, answer; you always seem to know better, right? In other words, you don't believe us, right? Then why are you asking? What exactly is your reason for taking part on this forum? 8-)
eddie belief is not in my directory! it is or it is not! belief is to put a blind in your perception and in your mind! it is not a question of knowing better!why do you see things that way? i am sharing something with you! why are you trying to see fault where there is none! can't you accept things for what they are ? if you find other meaning in the story go a head but do not change the story to fit your belief!
for your question:why am i on this forum? by sharing we learn more doing so we remove ignorance and better our self!and by getting better we make this world a better place! did that answer your question eddie?
I feel that you do not really understand the meaning of the word belief. Thus, here’s the sense that I mean belief: a principle, proposition, idea, concept, etc, accepted as true; an opinion or a conviction. Are these words in your dictionary?
I’m sensing a certain arrogance and anger in your reactions towards my opinions. What you are sharing does not sit right with me. In other words I do not believe what you say. It is your opinion, but it is not my opinion; it is your conviction, but it is not my conviction.
I share my opinions on this forum because it excites me to do so. If others get something from my sharing, all the better, but I do not force anything on them. In your estimation by sharing we remove ignorance. And who is this judge and censor that decides who is ignorant and who is all knowing? Surely, it makes more sense to allow all others to have their principles, propositions, opinions and convictions etcetera.
White Tiger,now im not saying this to rub you up the wrong way BUT ...you do seem to get a wee bit offended when answers dont comply with your view.Im must confess im fascinated by some of your comments above,"it is or it is not" i agree to some extent with this but your statement about "belief" not being in your vocab .This is the most startling statement ive ever seen on this forum.Faith/thinking something habitually/belief are central to just about every doctrine ive ever studied.Im a bit of a compulsive reader WT I would love to know what your source material is.
Ive recently studied Neville Goddard on a tip from our friend Eddie.Despite thinking i knew most of what there was to know about Reality Creation ,or more old fashinedly answer to prayer,i was blown away by this guys writing. I thought i had a reasonable handle on scripture and now realise ive further to go. The writings and teachings that have inspired you and taught you would interest me.You have a unique take on this (unique to me) and i do want you to share this.Your source material would be of interest to many.
monty when you believe in something you give it power but it also blind you!because something not according to your belief you change it or ignore it! so i prefer to experiance life by knowing rather then belief! after i can belief in what i know is true! does this make sense to you monty?
wt, I actually agree with you that knowing is more powerful and goes beyond belief. However, most people live their lives according to their beliefs and many of these are self-limiting. By changing our beliefs into those that serve us better, we do reach the place of direct knowing and experiencing and then we can drop our beliefs because we simply know.
yes i hope people one day drop belief and experiance!then they can remove the limit and progress!
Im sort of getting what you say WT.I believe "knowing" is at the max end of the belief scale,but im sure belief is not to be sniffed at,its part of the way there,and perhaps a stepping stone to Knowing.Dont get me wrong WT,Im with you on the knowing thing,theres certain things i know,others i believe and one day will know.But there are things i plain dont even believe,never mind know.Some of the Esther material has helped me go on up the belief /emotion scale slowly.But i do agree,knowings the thing.
monty what i am saying is that belief with out knowing is a hindrence! while knowing and believe in it is giving power to it! i will give you example: you can believe that if you jump from airplane with no parachute you will land and be ok!(belief with out knowing) but if you did parachute before you know you need one to slow down your fall and that because you have one you will be ok! (knowing with belief) i do not have to tell you the end result of each story because you are capable of knowing the result in each case!
I will give you this much WT...youve livened up the comments section of posts no end.Its been a while since ive seen 15 comments or more!! I do get what you mean,and i think the parachute analogy is good and could also be construed as mixing "knowing" ,or to me belief, with a certain amount of good old common sense.But i do get the point your putting accross about knowing and belief.Your analogy has helped put your message accross.
he who as ears to hear,let him hear! he who as eyes to see,let him see!
and monty my source material is me experiancing!life and beyond! so if you are interested keep on reading and sharing!