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If Heaven is outside the Universe, then how does one explain how prayer works? How does it go from "in" the Universe to "outside" the Universe? There seems to be a dichotomy here. Either everything exists within the Universe, or there must be some place "outside" the known Universe. This does not seem possible to me. What do you think? Blessings, Jai |
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I guess this question is an example of what is known as a presupposition. In my view, you are asking where does a place that doesn't exist, exist? :) But, for the sake of this question, let's assume heaven does exist as a real location. In that case, I think this is really all about semantics. If the universe to you means all-that-is then your personal concept of what heaven is must contain it (by definition), because you cannot have more than one all-that-is. If the universe to you means something less than all-that-is then you have more room to play with, both metaphorically and physically, and your concept of heaven has room to exist outside of it. |
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Since beginning to wake up, I no longer see Heaven as a place ( like I was taught as a kid ); I now perceive Heaven as a state of Being, when we are in complete alignment with God or Source. 2
True that. Considering that time is a man made construct and there is only now. You cannot get to heaven because heaven is No-Where, but is always Now-Here.
(22 Dec '09, 02:30)
Eddie
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heaven is over the mirroir you pass in you to see it it is always there it is in the universe and out of it in the same time the universe as linear time and heaven as non linear time! that is why god is the alpha and the omega and eternal meaning the beguinning and end ever existing! will also add that there is some light that science does not see yet. or they do not have the equipement to study light out of linear time. |
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This is what Treb said about this thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0yUDsm3t0#t=20m13s what i will tell u is that we are all one, and when we know this it means all space, dimensions, and densities, are all part of physical reality, but all of this comes from non physical, in this case, god creates all, including the systems that makes physical, are all a part of him,as we are the universe, so when we place levels , names, and ideas in what is what and where is where, it makes us divide what we truly are, and that is one with all. I know what hunt for truth is and hopefully this helps too. This is break up of all systems and designs. In physical reality, the highest density is the 6th. Therefore this much be heaven. In this level we have the ability to connect to all, instantly go wherever we need in the universe, know all of our pats lives, and almost at the point of re-joining the creator, god. Sounds like heaven to me. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsjXgMB2QeQ Hope it helps. love n light, rob |
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This question assumes that we know the entire Universe but the fact is we are only aware of the 4 dimensions of time and space through which we know and understand this Universe. However since we do know that there are many more dimension which the humans have not yet been able to witness or conceptualize. So it is possible that heaven is just something we can comprehend truly only in another dimension - whether its a place (which I doubt) or a state of existence of the spirit we'll find out when we get there:-) |
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There are many universes and Earth and the other planets are physical. All of these are physical. Heaven is a place but it is a spiritual place there are seven heavens. In the heavens the spiritual beings of God dwell there but all is spiritual electrical energies. No, at this moment I can not tell you more about the seven heavens my friend who has died about seven times told me there were seven heavens and I did not believe him but I have since seen this or read this somewhere but I don't remember where I read it. You can not go there or visit there unless you are in the spiritual form of a spiritual being. The heavens are real but just not in a physical sense in a spiritual sense. For remember we are all spiritual human beings on a spiritual journey or quest of finding out about life and about God. If I am not mistaken there are 3 heavens talked about in the bible at this time I have no reference to this. If I find it I will write it down and give it to you. 2 Corinthians 12:2 thanks to John. Hi, Flowingwater, and have a wonderful Christmas. I think you're referring to 2 Corinthians 12:2 in which Paul writes: "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a one was caught up to the third heaven." In the second verse following he refers to this as "Paradise."
(24 Dec '09, 08:41)
John
Thank you John so very much and you have a wonderful Christmas as well and I am trying hard to maintain my manifesting of postive speaking and thinking and so far it is working and I am maitain my happiness mode. Thank you so much for providing the bible verses for I wear bibles out but as far as though remembering what verse and chapeters I read it in the bible I don't remember. So thanks for the informations. In the bible it also talks about other portols to other worlds or dimentions it might not quite say it that way but that is what is talking about. It is in the part that is left out.
(25 Dec '09, 07:49)
flowingwater
Left out of most bibles but in some. John you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and I know I don't have to tell you to stay postive thinking and speaking for you seem to have master so much of it. I was amazed when my friend told me about seven heavens.
(25 Dec '09, 07:52)
flowingwater
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Thank you all for your wonderful and thoughtful answers! Love, Jai