Very interesting article! I don't see the connection with my question but I am enjoying it very much. It seems to be about lay-lines earth energy fields. Thanks.

@Wade - yes true, the article hasn't a lot to do with the question, it was just a furtive way to bring what seems an interesting article to notice :)

"you know the saying their is no worst blind that someone that does not want to see." absolutely agree @white tiger

a little music for you @blu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KvkKX035484

I enjoyed the article on earth energies. I wonder who just voted your answer up? a new persona possibly - hope so - miss ya..

Do you have Skype? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og7AyfONGgo http://www.hauntingreview.com/skype-crossovertalk-itc-device-evp-experiment/

@ursixx she's funny - best viewed with a nubbe or two.. Not sure if this is an option any more on Skype - you can always use a 'ghost box'. @blu 'the Catacombs of Paris' & 'Père Lachaise Cemetery' - orbs..

@Snow - thanks for your input ... skepticism blocks the flow of "energy" :)

Hmm? Sorry, I don't understand what your second sentence means.

@Snow - the "talking ghost machine" works on the same principles as any other system of divination ... to practice divination requires the operator to be in a state of belief, desire and confidence ... skepticism is disbelief and disables the possibility of divination to function correctly ... and talking of ghosts, these also are beliefs :)

This is funny Blubird is skeptical and that is okay, Snow is skeptical and blubird disagrees! I am trying to understand this.

@Wade - good point Wade, let me explain my view ... i'm skeptical about the concept of ghosts(phantoms) as such, though i accept that there are creative subtle energies involved in divination ... and Snow is skeptical about the possibility of divination and about how an electronic machine can translate subtle energies into human language ... :)

Ahh two different belief systems on what it is to be skeptical about I see... :-)

@Wade Casaldi - we'll get there eventually Wade, lol

I'm sure Bluebird never meant to imply that my skepticism was more or less "okay" than anything else. I disagree with points all the time, that doesn't mean that I'm not "OK" with others believing in them. ;)

@ The topic: I as I said in another comment, I believe there are more than two states of existence. [alive or dead+with the higher consciousness] I believe there are many different stages above, below, and even equal to our perception of life, and even pseudo-life.

This of course means I absolutely believe in varying degrees of spiritual entities, as well as entities that are present or have influence over more than one 'realm' or 'type of reality'.

However I don't believe that ghosts [generally explained as hanging out because of spiritual turmoil, not simply because being a ghost is Casper-like and enjoyable.] would be attached to a higher consciousness that would make their existence here more or less a moot point.

But just because we cannot understand how something works doesn't mean it is possible for something to just explain away everything it does with "It's magic/supernatural it doesn't have to have a reasonable explanation."

Since human language is a construct of a very specific set of rules here in our reality, it seems unusual to me that a ghost would be able to be able to 'think' that way at all. My understanding of ghosts denies that they are 'thinking' in our context of the word at all.

This is why generally the driving force behind contact with spirits like this involves feeling emotions (a "language" of itself that transcends many borders, in our reality and others) and "impulses" from what the "outsider" is trying to express. Whenever someone starts saying stuff like "the ghost is telling me [phrase]" I immediately put on my skeptic hat simply because I imagine it'd be very hard to be that "finely tuned" to be able to translate so directly. Not saying it is impossible, just-

Something that I wouldn't expect to be a common ability. Then there is the idea that since ghosts exist on another plane which requires a soul of your own to communicate with, it would be impossible in this case for an electronic device (no soul) to be the driving force in the process.

A tool used by the "channeler", absolutely, but my beliefs would dictate that the living being would still be the main source of functionality in this process, not the device.

The device is actually rare not common, I think no one else makes one.

@Wade Casaldi - in my mind it is crystal clear - all physical phenomena are manifestations of electromagnetic fields (EMF) ... the deeper energies within these fields are yet to be defined though could be described as being principles of life and thought ... the device converts the physically measurable part of the EMF into spoken language, it is a simple electronic energy converter, just as a pencil is a simple energy converter and allows us to convert thoughts into written language :)

@ele Thanks for sticking up for me. Yes I agree with you, it does seem strange. How someone could believe one far out thing but be a skeptic about another out there idea.

@Wade: Doesn't that feel much like different religions being less than accepting of one another for being outlandish and crazy, despite holding extremely similar content if examined?

I've also noticed an individuals personal resistance to a subject (for example my own in this scenario) can actually interfere with their ability to personally observe or encounter the phenomenon they doubt!

Thanks for sharing this! =) It's fun to see how you've helped me come around.

@Wade Casaldi Just speaking the truth as I see it & apparently we had the same view. I'm certain blu is still reading IQ; perhaps he will come back an enlighten us if so inspired. I've read quite a few of his discussions on the subject - mainly with WT. I can't speak for him; but my impression was - if you believed in ghosts it was actually a sign of some form of mental illness such as anxiety. If I'm incorrect I apologize. As for why - I won't venture a guess. BTW, Hi blu Hi ru bis

@Snow why don't you edit your answer & share your new views..

Man, our ghost team really wanted this device. They are ridiculously expensive, and from what I remember being told at the time, only one guy makes them.

The device I used would just cycle through every radio station on either AM or FM depending what you set it at and then skip through each one every split second either upwards or downwards. So you would hear every radio station go by, but the frequency at which they speak would rip through all channels and so it wouldn't matter. (P1)

You would hear the actual voice though of the entity and not just a robotic voice. That is because the fancy device the guys in the video are using works by letting the entity choose from a dictionary of pre-stored words to select and make the box play.

So I would imagine you would miss out on hearing the gender of the voice through the entity as well as the emotion of what it was saying too through using this device. Nonetheless, I'm still jealous and wish i could have one lol.. (P2)

I updated it to explain my views had evolved on the subject. Though before I did believe this sort of thing was possible, I hadn't refined my ideas of how or why.

I think it's good to show I started with (a bit too much) skepticism and misplaced perceptions and have managed to continue to accept possibility of growth in my own beliefs, and how much I've grown / adapted in a reasonably short (or not) period of time.

Never claimed to be infallible, or anything of the sort. I can always be wrong.

Biggest lesson I have to relearn for myself here, funny because it is one of my favorite quotes I like to throw around yet I can sometimes forget to practice and embrace it myself.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

Always good to remember to keep a steady and well fortified foundation of your mind, but always be safely open to new experiences. And remember we're imperfect.. =)

@Snow good cause I voted you up . . . I looked at the date - it was prior to our discussions on the subject. Did my stories have any influence?

At this exact moment I can't remember too much. It's very likely possible they had more than just 'any' influence, in this topic and especially in others.

I hope it's been at least 'interesting' or something positive for you watching my development through this (and other) processes. For myself I've enjoyed looking back and seeing where I was vs where I am. I used to do this self-reflection process and feel stupid for how I was in the past. Now I'm at least appreciating I'm getting better.. =)

@Snow - just as well you don't recall. I hope you deleted the evidence. (kiddin') Your always interesting Sweetie - never a dull moment. Yes, you've come a long long way. Hey, don't put yourself down - you know how much I hate it when you do. My view has never changed since our first convo - you're brilliant & a work in progress.. Bravo - I applaud you..