We have some people channeling information from other beings. What do you think about this idea? Does it have validity or not? Why do you feel this way? asked 06 Mar '12, 17:51 Dollar Bill |
I remember coming across a video of Esther Hicks (Abraham) back in February or March of 2009 for the first time. It was the first channeled information of any kind I have ever experienced. I found it by searching other Law of Attraction type videos on Youtube. This was back in my beginning stages of self discovery and awakening. My first initial reaction of seeing a woman breathing heavily with her eyes closed and then starting to talk as a group of people made my head spin. It was so very unusual and weird that I wanted to use the typical "nutjob" label on this woman. She freaked me out and a part of me wanted to immediately stop the video, but there was another part of me that was interested in seeing it through. I didn't really understand much of what was said the first few times I viewed these type of videos but there was something that kept bringing me back for more. My conscious habitual ego self wanted to label what I was hearing as a sham or a person who was possessed and trying to deceive me, but there was that certain something that kept pulling me back for more. Even though I didn't really truly understand the message for the first year or so, the messages resonated so deeply within me that I couldn't get enough. It was the first real relief that I found after years and years of negativity and depression. I kept hearing the message of following my joy and emotions and it made me feel hopeful again. Then the hope started to turn into legitimate happiness when I deliberately used the power that was always within me. So for me channeling is very valid. I wouldn't care if 100 out of 100 people told me to my face that it was a fraud and I was doing something wrong or out of the ordinary. I have learned to follow my feelings because if there is anyone in the universe that I can trust, it's the reflection that I see everyday in the mirror. I personally am in the best mindset of my entire life. I get so many signs, nudges, hints, and certain situations can be in such pure synchronicity, many of my long held negative beliefs crumble away more and more everyday. I just leave out what doesn't resonate or feel good and go from there. My instincts are getting so good at leading me down the right path, it can be laughable at times. It just comes down to making the choice of what is right for the betterment of my life and what isn't. Channeled information that resonates in my heart is one of the best things I have come across in my entire life and I am very appreciative of the wonderful information that has been shared. answered 06 Mar '12, 23:30 Cory 2
@Cory I really like this answer. This is why I try to not judge anyone who believes in something that is "obviously" bs to me. For instance I used to hate faith healing. But now I find it very valid and valuable because many people seem benefit from it, though it is still not for me.
(06 Apr '13, 20:16)
releaser99
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@releaser99 I'm glad you liked this answer. It all really boils down to beliefs. Kind of like going into a grocery store full of food. We as an individual get to choose what we like the best and are willing to allow the other person to choose what they prefer with no judgement. Follow your own path and let others enjoy their specific trail that they prefer as well. What works for one may very well not work for another, and thats all right with me.
(07 Apr '13, 00:56)
Cory
@releaser99- "I used to hate faith healing." Perhaps I could hint you to take a look at Derren Browns' psychological documentary of how he takes a random person off the street and transforms him into a miracle worker "in the name of Jesus" working results that anyone would view as miraculous. "Miracles for Sale"
(09 Apr '13, 01:12)
Nikulas
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Genuine channeled information is only valid to those people who find that it resonates with them. If any information, channeled or otherwise, doesn't resonate with you, then it's probably best to look to information that does. The important thing is to use discernment when listening to or reading channeled information. How does it make you feel? Always trust your gut instincts :) If you're interested in learning about and discovering the true nature of reality, then channeled information will come into your awareness. And if it does, and if it resonates with you, it's because you are moving to a higher frequency dimensional reality. And if it doesn't enter your awareness or it doesn't resonate with you, then you may have decided not to move into a higher dimension frequency reality, for your own reasons. And if you're not sure, then now is the time to get clear and make that decision. Think of it this way: if it feels good, then it will serve you and if it doesn't feel good, then it won't serve you at this timing. Channeled information has validity for me, because I've realized that past, present and future are all occurring, simultaneously, here and now. Therefore, it makes sense that loving beings from what we perceive as our future have the ability to communicate with us in real time, now. And due to their loving nature they only want the best for us, their cosmic brothers and sisters, and that's why their information is beneficial to us. You have to remember that in a Universe of contrast, polarity and duality, all kinds of beings exist. Not all of these beings have our best interest at heart and that's why we must use discernment at all times. Once you discern that any being is of a positive and loving nature, then you know that any information that they disseminate can serve you :) answered 06 Mar '12, 22:20 Eddie @eddie, I like your answer, but don't understand "And if it [channeled information] doesn't enter your awareness or it doesn't resonate with you, then you may have decided not to move into a higher dimension frequency reality, for your own reasons."
(07 Mar '12, 06:26)
Dollar Bill
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@Dollar Bill, I mean that in a free will Universe, we are free to believe or not to believe that beings from other realities are assisting us. It may not serve everyone to believe it, depending upon what they came here to learn, remember or experience.
(07 Mar '12, 21:18)
Eddie
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@Eddie OK, it sounded like you were saying that if that if you are not in alignment with channeled information you may have decided not to move into a higher dimensional frequency. Inferring that channeled information was a prerequisite to moving into a higher frequency. Now I understand you better. There are many paths, depending on how you process information.
(08 Mar '12, 04:53)
Dollar Bill
@Eddie. "And if it doesn't enter your awareness or it doesn't resonate with you, then you may have decided not to move into a higher dimension frequency reality, for your own reasons." Are you saying that the only way to move into a higher dimension frequency reality is to hear and believe in channeled material?
(13 Mar '12, 11:19)
Fairy Princess
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@FP, no, not at all. There are many people teaching stuff that resonates with me, who're not generally considered to be channels, such as: Eckhart Tolle, Neale Donald Walsch and Mike Dooley. There may be many reasons why channeled info doesn't resonate with you at this time, it didn't resonate with me 10 years ago because the timing wasn't right for me :)
(13 Mar '12, 23:55)
Eddie
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It is about as valid as anything else you are comfortable with. Once you are comfortable if there is any truth to it, you will encounter it. How many people have encountered God or an atom? answered 06 Mar '12, 21:05 The Traveller |
Truth has a congruency that continues over time. We seek truth. I have been actively studying metaphysics, phenomenology and Hermeneutics for the last 44 years. I have had experience with trance mediums where if they had something to begin with, lost it along the way as their ego got involved. I have heard a medium, in trance, say, "Discern ye my words very carefully, oh my children, for the vessel through which I speak is becoming impure." With a smile, I believed that one! People were asking the 'medium' to get an answer from his 'guide' and told the medium that they did not care about his (the medium's) opinion. He once said, "What am I, the telephone! You don't care what I think?" I have also known people who constantly sought personal advice from "channelers", to the extent that they did not seek within, but, instead would not make decisions unless they had contacted their "channeler", sought and acted upon their advice. Then they got into, "My channeler is better than your channeler." I used to do Tarot and I Ching readings for people. I had people call me in the middle of the night with specious questions they should have been able to answer on their own. I told them to flip a coin and while it was in the air, decide which way they hoped it would land and do that regardless of how the coin landed. I, myself, got so dependent on these oracles that I once asked I Ching whether I should get a blue suit or a brown one. To this and other specious questions I got -- four times in a row -- "Quit abusing the Oracle." I listened and acted upon that advice! I find Esther/Hicks/Abraham's words to be very congruent with what she has spoken in the past also how well her information fits in with the inner teachings of almost all religions I have studied. I feel good about her information. I feel it is inspired. It comes from Source. I am revamping my opinions about mediums. If you receive a letter from a loved one, do you care which postman brought it? I am not excluding other mediums (channellers). In fact I am eager to hear more, but I still hold to the values that Truth is congruent, makes you feel good and trust your inner Self. Don't get dependent on externals. answered 07 Mar '12, 06:49 Dollar Bill 2
@Dollar Bill - I remember reading many years back about Harrison Ford (the now famous Hollywood actor) being confronted with a life-changing decision about whether to relocate to California. He couldn't decide so he tossed a coin. It said he shouldn't move there - but he didn't agree with that choice...so he kept tossing the coin until it told him he should :) http://www.river-phoenix.org/bookshelf/harrison-ford/
(07 Mar '12, 07:31)
Stingray
Hi Stingray! Thanks' for sharing that story. I enjoyed reading it and it inspired me to read Dollar Bill's answer in great detail. :)
(09 Mar '12, 09:02)
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I agree with what @Cory said. Here is an excerpt from Book Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch:
So roughly the same thing can be applied to channeling. If the information is useful and resonates with you, why does it matter where it comes from? Answers and information needed can appear in any form, from a Billboard in the highway, a song, book, etc. On a channeling workshop given by Bashar, he said that basically we are always channeling information in some way, through our imagination, dreams, etc. So what we refer to as channeling is just a different kind of channeling. Here's an exercise he gave that could be useful to illustrate the point: Put two chairs facing each other, as if 2 people were to seat there and talk. Now seat on one chair and ask a question which you don't have an answer to, just as if you were talking to someone who is an expert on the matter. Now get up, and seat on the other chair and start answering the question the "other" you asked. It's pretty incredible how things start flowing and somehow you start talking and maybe one or more answers come up. If you search for "bashar channeling workshop" in youtube you can find the whole thing (there are really good exercises/meditations in there by the way). Hope it helps! answered 07 Mar '12, 11:53 Kriegerd 1
@Kriegerd What you mentioned about Bashar saying that we are always channeling something at all times in some sort of way is a very good point to make. Some people look at the word "channeling" and get a little scared because it doesn't match up to their beliefs, kind of like it was with me at first. We are always channeling something though at all times, even on the most subtle level. Thanks for mentioning the Bashar 2 chair method. I'll have to look into that and give it a try.
(07 Mar '12, 15:37)
Cory
You are more than welcome @Cory, I agree with you, it always comes down to the way we label things. I have to always remind myself of that, sometimes we label without knowing it.
(07 Mar '12, 17:45)
Kriegerd
Thanks Kriegerd, Neale Donald Walsch and Bashar are good sources. While we may or may not agree upon the definition of God, God can and does communicate with us in a variety of ways, imagination being one of those ways :)
(07 Mar '12, 21:31)
Eddie
I have noticed the concept of the 2 chairs technique. I noticed that once I ask a question, I often get an answer. But if I don't ask, no answer.
(13 Mar '12, 11:26)
Fairy Princess
Exactly!!. Asking is the key. It's like people that don't do something afraid that they might receive a "No". Better to try than to do nothing hehe. Here's an article which addresses the importance of asking questions, you might already know about it: http://www.positivityblog.com/index.php/2009/01/26/afformations-the-key-that-unlocks-the-secret-part-1-of-2/
(13 Mar '12, 11:35)
Kriegerd
@Kriegerd thanks, that's an excellent article. I would like to read the second part. No, I had not heard this before. I had noticed that we must be careful what questions we ask, because we might not like the answer. I had not figured out how to change the question to a positive one though. This seems so obvious now. Thanks
(13 Mar '12, 12:10)
Fairy Princess
(13 Mar '12, 12:19)
Fairy Princess
I did read some stuff by Rikka zimmerman that is about asking the right questions also. Here in this question is a link http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/46055/how-to-be-the-master-of-manifesting-your-phenomenal-life
(13 Mar '12, 12:23)
Fairy Princess
@Kriegerd you should ask a question about this article. Even if it's a wiki to share this with the others. I love it and would love to discuss it further.
(13 Mar '12, 12:36)
Fairy Princess
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Fantastic question dollar! I like the answers so far because all of them point to what I know for sure. If it holds truth for, and resonates within you, it's valid for you. I personally don't ascribe to much channeling, not because it doesn't hold a grain or two of truth, but because in order to get that grain of simple truth I would have to wade through a ton of triple-speak. For Advanced beings they seem to make simple truths sound too complex. I like to hear the bottom line straight and to the point. I hope that if they ever channel through me, the beings will be brief and give out the real goods, not just the feel goods! answered 07 Mar '12, 07:10 eclectic1 1
Eddie, when I say "the real goods", I simply mean give me the straight truth. I am better off without a lot of flowery turns of phrase and wordy run-ons. If I'm too silly for the bottom line stuff, then all of that extraneous hoopla isnt going to help me. In fact, it might get downright confusing! It's just my own opinion though, but it's the reason I don't partake in much channeled info, I get bored before they get to the real meaning. :)
(08 Mar '12, 11:07)
eclectic1
OK eclectic1, I think I understand your point. However, consider this statement: "you're an eternal being who has always created your own reality, all of it good and bad, within the one moment of now. And therefore, by definition, all of your pain and suffering is self-created, so you're responsible for it all..." How many people will listen further?
(08 Mar '12, 20:23)
Eddie
Eddie, I can appreciate your statement because it is short and to the point. I wouldn't need to listen further unless there was more straight talk on another subject. The problem I have with channeling is, that rather than get straight to the point, the "beings" seem to camouflage every piece of it in lengthy diatribe. Think of it as akin to trying to read The Holy Bible in Elizabethan English...by the time you wade through all the, "thee's, thou's, and therefore's..." you miss out on the point.
(08 Mar '12, 21:15)
eclectic1
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Definitely an interesting point. I personally subscribe to the thought that spiritual entities are not all powerful, nor all knowing, simply beings just like you or I. In that belief it would make sense to assume that the beings would be subject to communicating in whatever method felt appropriate for the host, and would also be limited by the abilities and understanding of the host. But I haven't met any of these hosts in person so my understanding of what they do and how is probably limited.
(08 Mar '12, 22:17)
Snow
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@Snow - "spiritual entities are not all powerful, nor all knowing, simply beings just like you or I". Yes, well said. As David Icke once said: "Death is not a cure for stupidity" :) We should treat any non-physical beings in the same way as we treat any physical beings...there are some you think are cool and love spending time with, there are others that you wouldn't answer the door for if you knew they were outside. Higher dimensions are different, not necessarily better
(09 Mar '12, 04:03)
Stingray
@Snow and Stingray-I like the turns of phrase: "spiritual entities are not all powerful, nor all knowing, simply beings just like you or I", and "Higher dimensions are different, not necessarily better"! Very well stated! I completely agree, although I must state that they are usually not presented in that manner. Thank you so much for the delightful input!
(09 Mar '12, 09:05)
eclectic1
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I channel so it is hard for me to be non biased. I feel it does have validity, the message does. I have seriously considered that the entity I contact is a part of my mind that is expressing itself in a way I ( and others ) can understand or will accept. I do not believe that is the case because of the experiences that I do have and have had, so I feel it is real, I have felt and seen and connected to him. This in itself is so expansive. I do know one thing, weather it is a part of my mind used to accept it or if it is a separate entity, we are all one so he IS a part of me, and he IS me. We have learned to not judge, or praise the teachers of the great information and things that resonate with our souls. SO i will say, Does it matter? If you think it does than it will, and if you do what all channels and channelers have said sens it all began, TAKE ONLY WHAT U NEED FORM THE MESSAGES, TAKE WHAT RESONATES AND LEAVE THE REST. If you follow that advice and understand even when we learn from others words they still are an external manifestation of our own consciousnesses, it really doesn't matter how we get or who we get the message from, only that we are growing, and when we expand the universe does as well, than all other issues are now obsolete and hold very little importance. At least this is how I see it. One separate view from the oneness that is, Thank you and I hope this helped. Here is a session of why it is important to find the separate views within the oneness as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQoIbdGod1I Love n light rob answered 13 Mar '12, 10:18 TReb Bor yit-NE |
The Pleiadian Collective predicted of increased amount of solar flare activity in early March, and that prediction has now come true. I consider that valid and reliable. In regards to all channeled information I think most, if not all of it is valid because of the expansion it creates in my consciousness. Thank You answered 07 Mar '12, 05:00 Brian @Brian "valid because of the expansion it creates in my consciousness." yes.
(07 Mar '12, 06:20)
Dollar Bill
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I choose to stay far, far away from anything channeled. I did some research on the topic of "archons" and decided it was best if I avoided all such contact and all material gleaned through channeling. answered 07 Mar '12, 08:27 crosby 3
I don't know what "archons" are but your comment is akin to saying that you watched a TV programme that you didn't like, therefore all TV is bad. A better solution would be to be selective about which channels (TV or spiritual) you choose to tune into.
(08 Mar '12, 09:03)
Stingray
Archons are mind parasites. They are quite capable of oozing and dripping of "Love" and are capable of appearing quite angelic like but are quite the opposite. They are the ultimate hoaxers. Because of their ability to do this I choose to avoid all channeled material.
(09 Mar '12, 08:08)
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I have struggled with this myself. Sometimes I find the 'channelling' creepy. However, I have had 'visions' or 'insights' that seem to correlate with some of the channelled material. However, the Bible talks about lying spirits and how they use truth mixed with the lies to deceive. So I haven't made my mind up on this. answered 13 Mar '12, 11:35 Fairy Princess |
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