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Every rule is set for a reason. What reason had the rule the God set about not eating the apple of knowledge? It is said that not respecting that rule was a sin Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden. If my understanding is correct. So what if that rule was set not to prevent gaining knowledge, but the very reason for its existence was to see if they had courage or curiosity to challenge it. And when they in fact did challenged it, the circle was complete. Now the God knew, that human kind is capable of evolving all by themselves and through them the God can grow. For all the knowledge they have, they are capable of challenging it. An ability to challenge that which we know is the fundamental quality for evolution. So Adam and Eve transcended down to earth to begin our story. It's said that through us the universe is contemplating its existence. Then through us the God is able to grow, therefore, we are in fact already perfect. |
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In the story, the tree is called the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil". And the reason God wanted Adam and Eve to stay away from eating it's fruits is because God knew that down the path of knowledge of good and evil there is judgement, duality, and separation from Oneness. Good knew that everything would get a lable of either good or bad and that these lables would turn into war among the people. I think the lesson is, trust God. Adam and Eve decided to go off on their own because they felt like they themselves (with all this new knowledge) sinned, and thought themselves evil. The thing is that God never stopped loving Adam and Eve, they just stopped loving themselves. God doesn't punish us, we punish ourselves. Either way, the lesson of knowledge of good and evil had/has to be learned to move us into a the paradise of God's garden; Everything Love. Thank You very well said Brian. Thank you for sharing.
(15 Mar '12, 09:30)
CalonLan
brian if God is truth and if knowledge is accomulating truth. is it not logical that he would want is children to know him? but that is children where not ready for all the truth and that they did not know how to deal with all those truth because they laked wisdom understanding and experience?
(15 Mar '12, 18:31)
white tiger
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the story if taken literally the rule of which god if people would know some would not fear and some would fear more. because of what they did. but better then fear is to use the time imparted to correct those mistake. experience and enjoy.
(14 Mar '12, 06:11)
white tiger
white tiger, to experience is why we are here now. though it may not all be enjoyable or the lesson may not be learned
(14 Mar '12, 15:55)
fred
fred you might not enjoy it but these stones will serve you.
(15 Mar '12, 10:07)
white tiger
white tiger, that is why planet earth and her humankind is so important to the fulfillment of the divine plan
(15 Mar '12, 18:02)
fred
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the rule was simple. the fact is not that God wanted to keep the knowledge to him self. it was that is new creation was not ready to get all that knowledge. the fruit of knowledge is not bad in it self the way you aply that knowledge determine if you are sinning or not. would you try to feed the fruit of knowledge to a new born baby. or will you let that child grow by him self and learn at his own rate? the fact is that you need time to learn. it give you time to absorbe knowledge and correct the mistake of your way. experience and enjoy. Thought provoking indeed. Thank you. And to comment on it. What is the factor that defines the speed of learning though? We don't know if the rate at which the child would learn wouldn't be 10x, 100x 1000x faster had he had all the knowledge. As the knowledge you have does directly impact acceleration of learning. Not giving the knowledge to the baby, we leave him with rather limited resources. Dependent on the place and time he's born at. A very little to work with and reflect on indeed.
(14 Mar '12, 06:22)
CalonLan
the factor is what you make of it. and that is more important then the speed or the number that you hold. experience and enjoy.
(14 Mar '12, 06:42)
white tiger
you might not believe that number are not important and need to learn some more.They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything--all she had to live on." http://bible.cc/mark/12-44.htm "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." http://bible.cc/mark/13-2.htm
(14 Mar '12, 07:20)
white tiger
I'm just thinking that the more you know the more you are able to make of it and the more you make of it, the more you get to know. It's like repetive self-improving mechanism. Thanks for your thoughts, it's definitely a point of view I would not think of at this moment.
(14 Mar '12, 08:32)
CalonLan
does not life multiply it self.if the one created the circle of creation.1=0=1<Ω. the alpha and the omega stand in it self eternal. as the way the truth and the life.
(14 Mar '12, 08:51)
white tiger
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As we all know, we are imperfect. For us, perfection existed in the beginning and due to our actions, we became imperfect, but to one day, through our evolution, evolve to perfection. God is perfect and godliness is next to perfection. It is also understood that all of God's creation is perfect, but this is perspectively speaking, which is also prospectively envisioned. constantine, is the young babe imperfect due to its actions or has it more to learn. we are here because each in the core of our being has a spark of the eternal flame and have a destiny to help fulfill the divine plan. this concept of perfectness is actually limiting or topping out when all continues to evolve
(14 Mar '12, 16:05)
fred
Does one need to know, in order to be considered imperfect and who has achieved perfection to know it's limits? On the contrary, perfection has no limits and has been referred to as Alpha and Omega. All continues to evolve divinely and one generation passes on it's imperfections to the next.
(14 Mar '12, 23:24)
Constantine
If perfection has no limits, then it cannot be measured nor defined. Which means imperfection can't be measured nor defined either. Therefore, it's impossible to assigned either of those adjectives to anyone or anything. In the end, perfection and imperfection are the same state of being. Perfection and imperfection, as defined by us - people, is then false and inaccurate distortion of factual reality.
(15 Mar '12, 04:07)
CalonLan
the only perfection is the truth. it is perfect even in is imperfection. even when one tell lie or hide some truth the truth is still there and cannot remain hiden for ever. Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. 2 For there is nothing hidden that won't be revealed." http://www.westarinstitute.org/Polebridge/Excerpts/thomas.html
(15 Mar '12, 09:47)
white tiger
Correct CalonLan, but incorrect. To define a limitless entity is not to limit it's existence. Definitively, we all have our own defined idea of a word or concept that varies with a tint of color. The truth of your analysis is our inability to measure perfection as well as imperfection, but that is only contingent upon our present capacity. We are in a continual process of evolution which is also a factor that cannot be measured.
(15 Mar '12, 10:06)
Constantine
This is also correct White Tiger. Even in an imperfect state perfection is present. This is the same idea explored thousands of years ago, that all of God's creation is good and even in the midst of destruction perfection does not fail. The components and the materials that exist within the universe are universally perfect. These components and materials follow an evolutionary process that are part of a limitless existence. We are part of these material and components.
(15 Mar '12, 10:19)
Constantine
@Constantine, you say that ''As we all know, we are imperfect.'' yet you also state that ''The components and the materials that exist within the universe are universally perfect.'' I agree with the latter, not so former. To me personally, evolution is not a quest for perfection. The evolution itself is perfection. And we are it. We are evolution, we are already perfect. This is what I meant in my original post, when I said we are perfect already. ;-)
(16 Mar '12, 06:54)
CalonLan
in truth if you would be perfect you would be born again you would only speak the truth you would not judge and you would not sin. you would love your God and your brother and sister.
(16 Mar '12, 10:13)
white tiger
Absolutely CalonLan! You see, to everything there is an opposite, left to right, up to down, perfect to imperfect. Therefore, to everything I've said there is also an exact opposite occurrence. This is why perfection has it's duality with imperfection. Another example of this duality is Jesus Christ in an imperfect body yet perfect. You can also analyze your own perfection and notate it's compass of reality.
(16 Mar '12, 10:42)
Constantine
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