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The Bible holds many obvious truths, many hidden truths, some things that contradict each other, and some things I would hope are not true. Then there is Conversations with God that states that the Bible is not an authoritative source, it also contains some things that I have learned here or similar venues to be true, it quotes the Bible in places and seems to explain what was meant. Why would 'God' quote the Bible and explain it if it's not an authoritative source? I have not finished the book yet CWG, but for now this is what it has said. How can something be true and not true at the same time? Here are the contradictions I find in the Bible: Jesus said in John 14:7 "If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Then in 1 John 4:12, it says, "No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us." Also it says that we shalt not kill, then it tells people to stone each other to death for different things. Also, how does a loving God create a hell to punish most people for eternity, except the few who find the narrow gate?
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I don't know which contradiction you have in mind specifically, but I know that since truth and lie are the one, everything can be true and not true at the same time. The way you see anything, is true for you yet untrue for another. Because things themselves just are. Math is hard and easy - are both true and untrue, depending on from which perspective you are looking at it. But in neutrality state of being, math just is. It is nothing and everything of what you could possibly see it to be. I love your answer! It applies in every case of deliberate choice.
(26 Apr '12, 17:40)
The Traveller
Here is one contradiction in the Bible: Jesus said in John 14:7 "If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Then in 1 John 4:12, it says, "No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us."
(26 Apr '12, 19:07)
Fairy Princess
Perhaps the only true statement is "I CAN lie."
(27 Apr '12, 08:06)
Dollar Bill
@Dollar Bill I don't understand you comment here.
(27 Apr '12, 08:42)
Fairy Princess
@Fairy Princess, I don't see contradiction in that. I see God everyday everywhere I look. Furthermore, I'm not 100% certain about numbering, but isn't 4:12 supposed to be before 14:7. Then it would make sense John has learned from Jesus after saying what he said in 4:12.
(27 Apr '12, 09:38)
CalonLan
John comes before 1 John. John is a Gospel, 1 John is a letter that may or may not have been written by John. You don't see a contradiction in, "You have seen him," and "No one has ever seen God"?
(27 Apr '12, 09:59)
Fairy Princess
If Johannes Gutenberg was alive I wonder what his comment would be.
(27 Apr '12, 13:20)
The Traveller
I see discrepancies in what has been heard and said by John. People interpret things differently then they are meant. I believe Jesus meant by his words to point out that to get to know yourself is to get to know God. Whereas meaning of Johns words is about loving each other. Perhaps it was easier for John to put it this way, rather than explain meaning of Jesus words as Jesus meant them. That is if he understood them in that way. Though Im sure he understood them in some way.
(28 Apr '12, 06:19)
CalonLan
I think that even the desciples didn't understand Jesus or who He was.
(28 Apr '12, 08:15)
Fairy Princess
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When you get down to it who wrote the bible ...man. Sure it is supposed to be the word of God.. and there are other books that also claim that . |
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human knowledge and understanding as more evidence points to what the bible is and @fred 1 "what the bible is and how god may be defined could still be transitional" So a new testament.5 ? ;)
(27 Apr '12, 15:20)
ursixx
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ursixx, as we refine our consciousness we may be able to see more clearly the alternate meanings of the words written by the initiates who tried to save the truth
(27 Apr '12, 20:08)
fred
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To understand these two verses about seeing God we need to think of how the Pagans saw many Gods as some kind of statue of a flying tiger headed thing or something like that. To them that is what their description looks like, what their God looks like. Jesus concept of God was so revolutionary to the people at that time, an omnipresent God that has no form. This means that there is no form to see to say here is God or there is God. The only way to know and see God is through love knowing the Christ is knowing God it is seeing God but not like seeing God himself because God is omnipresent. It is more like of seeing the expression of God through Christ, the closest we can come to physically experiencing God while we are on earth living in the physical realm. Through seeing Christ we see God but it is like seeing a part of God as if he was passing by and just out of the corner of our eye we catch a glimpse of his hand. Now as for the not killing and the stoning I might be wrong on this but I believe stoning was Mosses answer to "Not Killing" (I believe in Mosses mind) he saw this as no one is responsible for the death. Jesus was trying to teach that is not the case, and that all are responsible that stone people. 1
Well put, Wade. There really were no acceptable physical images of God. This was too limiting. Graven images were for pagans. Christ was The Intermediary.
(29 Apr '12, 05:24)
Dollar Bill
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FP, although the CWG books are good, they are not the Word of God. The Bible is considered to be authoritative because it comes from people like Moses and other authors who share a Divine Vision. Of course it contains contradictions- especially between the Old Testament and the New. Jesus came to end the need for people to obey the 616 Laws that were the Old way of obeying and being saved. This is really complicated stuff- I am not trying to be condescending here- I have been studying the Bible in college since 2007, and I do not even think I have scratched the surface of it. Those who read it lightly, and do not study it, can find all sorts of contradictions and oddities in it. But if you do dig deeply into the Bible, you find spiritual treasure that surpasses CWG by a long shot. It was Wade who said that CWG is more like Walsch's Conversation with his own subconscious. I think this is true. There is a spark of God in all of us, and we all can find this spark if we dig deep enough. Walsch did. I think the Bible scares people, and CWG is sort of like "Bible Lite". But if you want to know the real Truth, you will need to study the Bible. Rememeber that Christ came to abolish the Old laws and create a New Covenant between Man and God. So the the rules in the Old Testament are pretty much "old news" as far as Jesus is concerned. Of course, for the Jewish and Islamic people, there only exists the Old Testament. This is confusing, too. But I am a Christian, so I can only speak what I believe to be true. I have read all three CWG books, and they do make you think. But they are the Word of Neal Donald Walsch, not God. Love, Jaianniah |
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In your Bibical contradiction example, one statement says "seen" and the other says "know". Where is the contradiction?
@Dollar Bill Read the whole quote, it says, "and have seen him."