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My comments, are meant for myself. I can't put myself in another person's shoes. I really only have a fingernail grip on my understanding of myself. With that understanding. here are some thoughts. When I say "you" I am me talking to me. I do not believe that you can best help others by criticism, punishment, trying to get them to see your point of view or calling them names that focus on what they, or ourselves, consider un-connectedness with Source. Are YOU connected with Source when you criticize? Are you? "Doubting Thomas"? "Your advice will fall on deaf ears." "He just won't listen." And the Genie says, "Your wish is my command." "You just have to trust/believe"! That one is a biggie for me! Can anyone force themselves, or anyone else, to believe? To trust? Does it follow that unless you believe, you can't have what you want? Is that a "Catch 22"? So what do you do? Advise books to read? Links to "gurus"? Techniques to be practiced? Biblical quotes? Diagrams? Youtube? Channeled information? All good ideas, but are they the best starting point? Why do these helpful bits seem to fall on "deaf ears"? Have you opened the door to your heart? To their heart? Are they going to hear what you say if you have not done this first? Where do you begin? Where do you begin to help others? Where do you begin to help yourself? Take a look at @flowsurfer, for example. What do we see? What CAN WE SEE? What can we focus the spotlight of our attention upon? I see a powerful, passionate, eloquent, persistent, focused, determined, intelligent, loving person. A bit of manifested Source looking for Joy in the best ways he can. Would it help to begin with that foundation? To help others? To help ourselves. Could you, Bill, begin with LOVE? Love of that being, that person? Of ANY person, including yourself? To focus on their strengths, to amplify those strengths? And I am not just talking about @flowsurfer. EDITED: June 28, 2015 - YES this is ALL we can do to help others. What do you think? Feel? Believe? Take a look in your heart. What might happen if we, try to the best of our ability, to look at every relationship with Love? With Joy? Through the eyes of God? Of Source?
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Indeed! but... me too... who will get exactly what he thinks about most.
(25 Mar '13, 17:25)
ele
slow surfing..again found this http://youtu.be/ymyt5s0btVk?t=1m19s a person getting an implant hearing again for the 1st time.To begin with she doesn't like it.Its all noise. the words we give might just come across to people as just noise. Their brains aren't yet wired to receive and interpret the noise.I listened to the dialog and thought of questioners that have a hard time taking to words given here. and it's not so hard to believe that after being deaf for most or all of their lives ..
(26 Mar '13, 05:37)
ursixx
..that all of our words come across as noise. the brain (ego?) can even resist it because it is unpleasant.But with persistence and patience, a little hand holding and tears, bit by bit it becomes natural.
(26 Mar '13, 05:43)
ursixx
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Having that said, someone in the vortex can be annoying to someone who is way out of it. For instance if you say something like "You are the creator. You are a being of love. You are responsible for your life. You can do it. Believe me! You are powerful and worthy!" to a person that is depressed and suicidal he will just want to punch you in your face. :) "What the hell are you talking about? Don't you see that I'm a piece of shit and that I don't deserve to live, idiot?" So sometimes it is more helpful if advice comes from a vibration that is lower than love first. This way the person who needs help can move just a little up the emotional scale to see some things differently and finally choose the pathway of love. There is a chinese story about a doctor who healed depressive men by saying to them: "You are healthy. I can't do anything for you. The only problem with you is that your menstruation is too strong." This is one of the most humiliating things you can say to a man in chinese culture. So these depressive men suddenly became very angry and moved up the emotional scale from feeling "powerless" to feeling "hatred". And hatred is one of the best ways to get out of the grip of depression. So the basis of teaching can only be love. But a good teacher can also help by first recognizing compassionately what the sufferer feels. And then he can offer a vibration that is a little bit above this vibration. But the problem with this is often that the teacher/uplifter often sacrifices his/her high vibration by being compassionate. So that's why I think that teaching is an art form and all about balancing. If you are too compassionate, the sufferer sucks you into his vibration and you both stay there. If you don't have any compassion at all, you can't understand where the sufferer is coming from. So you can't help him actively... but in a more passive way. The real art about teaching/uplifting IMO is being able to quickly identify the vibration of the sufferer while still staying in the high vibration. So good teachers/uplifters sometimes just act as if they would live in a specific low vibration like the doctor in the chinese story above, without being too attached to the outcome or to the sufferer. Therefore teaching for me is much like the art of acting. You play a role and then you get out of it quickly before the sufferer sucks you into his/her vibration. But if you are too compassionate or if you act too long, you can even end up like Heath_Ledger. "... someone in the vortex can be annoying to someone who is way out of it. For instance if you say something like "You are the creator. You are a being of love. You are responsible for your life. You can do it. Believe me! You are powerful and worthy!" to a person that is depressed and suicidal he will just want to punch you in your face. :)" @releaser99 - Do you see any belief limitations in the above statement? Could this limit you in expressing love?
(25 Mar '13, 09:13)
Dollar Bill
@Dollar Bill I love your question. Because it makes me reflective. The answer would actually be yes and no. Yes, if I felt/believed that being out of the vortex is something that needs to be fixed at all cost. Yes, if I felt something like pity, which is another way of saying that "love is lacking in this world". No, if while saying the above you mentioned, I felt/believed that everything is perfect anyway and that love is never lacking in this world.
(25 Mar '13, 11:08)
releaser99
No if I felt/believed that being out of the vortex is just a wonderful choice too. Because this way you know even better what you don't want and you know better what you do want. No if I felt/believed that death or suicide is just another wonderful choice too. So if I believed that teaching is needed because of my feeling of pity...yes, the sentence you mentioned would limit my love.
(25 Mar '13, 11:08)
releaser99
If I just wanted to teach because teaching is fun for me like for an actor wanting to act and express himself is fun, then no, it wouldn't limit my love. Could it be that your initial question is an expression of pity, which is another way of saying that "love is lacking in this world"? Could it be that your initial question is another way of expressing that people shouldn't be harsh to each other because otherwise love is lacking in this world...
(25 Mar '13, 11:09)
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and that lacking love makes you feel bad/unloved? Could there be a limiting belief in you that stops your love because of external reasons (because others are harsh to each other)? Could it be that if you see others not letting each other live and let live, you just want to "take them outside and shoot those #############"? :)
(25 Mar '13, 11:09)
releaser99
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I think the best way to help others, is to help them to learn to appreciate who they are and what they have, to love themselves just the way they are, without discouraging them from their dreams. Like this mom did not say that unicorns don't exist, she said they are hard to get. |
I agree with @Monty Riviera @flowsurfer. Nearly every question you ask, you talk about taking your life. I'm tired of it. I certainly don't want you to take your life; but if you choose to. Make sure your donor card is signed & dated. Go to the nearest trauma center where they are equipped to deal with a mess such as this. Take your life there. You don't want family or friends to have to deal with it. They will find your donor card. Your organs will be harvested & one of your organs, prob your heart will go to a young boy who will grow tall & become a model due to your life saving organ donation. You will live on in him - spirit energies - cellular memory and finally your wish will come true. You have no reverence for life & you lack appreciation (thankfulness). Change those 2 things & you will change your life. ETA @flowsurfer WHAT YOU FOCUS ON EXPANDS "I live in the space of thankfulness - and I have been rewarded a million times over for it. I started out giving thanks for small things, and the more thankful I became, the more my bounty increased. That's because what you focus on expands, and when you focus on the goodness in your life, you create more of it. Opportunities, relationships, even money flow-ed my way when I learned to be grateful no matter what happened in my life" ~ Oprah Winfrey ~ ETA 11 - 2 - 2013My answer was written after @flow threatened to take his life over and over and over again in the 3 months preceding this post & for months afterwards & prior to him FINALLY admitting on 10/18/13 that he was being dramatic. He wished to grow 8 inches taller as an adult & if this didn't manifest he was going to kill himself.. ETA To Answer the Question Asked
That & speaking from your heart. ETA -- I left out the most obvious & simplest solution to your question Bill. Read IQ & take what resonates with you & implement it into your life. If you want to create the life you choose to live -- you'll find the 'tools' to do so throughout IQ. ________-
I shouldn't of hid my response in the comments section - I'm hoping @flow will see this because he has more power than he realizes & he should be careful how he uses it. Actually @Monty I can think of a way his request could manifest based on his current 'beliefs' & emotions. Poor flow gets in a tragic accident which severs both his legs at virtually the same point either below or above the knees. If he can convince his Dr's it's in his best interests to be taller; I'm sure they can fit him with prosthesis's which will increase his height. Careful what you pray for .... @flow ... if you search the site I'm sure you'll come across similar stories about real people manifesting their realities tragically due to their negative state of being posted by @Wade Note to @Monty (oops - sorry, looks like you are going to get hashed since I copied & pasted your comment) @ele Two things regarding suicide, first: "Life is not so desirable a thing as to be protracted at any cost. Whoever you are, you are sure to die, even though your life has been full of abomination and crime. The chief of all remedies for a troubled mind is the feeling that among the blessings which Nature gives to man there is none greater than an opportune death; and the best of it is that every one of us can avail himself of it"
(25 Mar '13, 10:54)
flowsurfer
@ele Second: "Suicide may also be regarded as an experiment - a question which man puts to Nature, trying to force her to an answer. The question is this: What change will death produce in a man's existence and in his insight into the nature of things?."
(25 Mar '13, 10:55)
flowsurfer
@flowsurfer in the book "30 Years Among The Dead" there are a lot of people that have killed themselves that are to this day still trying to kill themselves. All that they succeeded in killing was the body and brain but not the thought or feelings. Because they everyday still have the same thoughts they think they failed and repeat killing themselves over and over until someone can convince them they are already dead.
(25 Mar '13, 12:07)
Wade Casaldi
@Wade Casaldi If you can convince someone of something, they aren't really dead are they?
(25 Mar '13, 12:16)
flowsurfer
@ele I turn back from suicide because I found an alternative to death. I call it faith in God's love, but it does not mean what most people mean by it. When that faith is challenged, when I am tempted to let go of that faith in God's love, I have to remind myself that IT is the only alternative to death and that it is delusional to live without it. If I repeatedly express the thought it is because I repeatedly have the thought. I think your suggestion is quite frankly insane.
(25 Mar '13, 12:28)
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@flowsurfer yes convincing a ghost he is already dead seems about the same as convincing someone he doesn't need to be depressed. It is trying to convince that person to chose another choice of where to put attention.
(25 Mar '13, 12:37)
Wade Casaldi
@flow Insane - I think my answer was brilliant. All thoughts are prayers & all prayers are answered. You wanted to grow taller, be a model, be a teenager, have a full head of hair & a sex drive. Be careful what you wish for flow cause you will get it. LOA works in mysterious ways just like God. You are more powerful than you know - you are God. Somewhere on this site (last year) @Jai asked a couple questions & provided links in regards to this subject. I don't have time to link..
(25 Mar '13, 17:23)
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@flow What you resist persists - what are you resisting? "If I repeatedly express the thought it is because I repeatedly have the thought" Change your thoughts - Change your life. Wayne Dyer - "Change the Way you Look at Things, and the Things You Look at Change". That's the cool thing about quantum physics & the Matrix - the actual act of observation can actually changes the thing you are looking at. The same thing applies to thoughts. When you have the thought of not wanting to ..
(25 Mar '13, 17:58)
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to ... live. Why do you reinforce these thoughts which are slowly becoming beliefs & possibly truths by expressing them in writing? When you write your thoughts down, you give your thoughts more power & validity. They also affect the people who read your thoughts. You continue to do this, from your first question to your last & nearly all your comments in between. Stop repeating, express new thoughts. Instead of saying I want to die - say I love my life & I'm going to live my best life NOW.
(25 Mar '13, 18:07)
ele
@ele The problem is, that thought is fake. It's untruth is right in my face. I cannot hide from the awareness that I am telling a lie. The thought is not of "not wanting to live" at all; the thought is of not wanting to be trapped, of not wanting to live "in this particular way". People do not commit suicide because they do not want to live, ever, they commit suicide because they want a change. Life is either eternal or it is not. Suicide is in a sense a form of prayer.
(25 Mar '13, 19:29)
flowsurfer
@ele I've asked before about how to retrain my thought patterns but I didn't get any response. I'm not sure how to do it because of self-awareness (the awareness of the context in which I am thinking the thoughts). I remember having dreams in which I was a different person, waking up and then about a minute later realizing "###! That is not who I am! Those are not real memories!". I do not know how to reach that level of self-abandonment ( which incidentally Neville talks about being key)
(25 Mar '13, 19:50)
flowsurfer
@flow "People do not commit suicide because they do not want to live, ever, they commit suicide because they want a change. Life is either eternal or it is not. Suicide is in a sense a form of prayer" Well said & couldn't agree more. I know you aren't really going to kill yourself. I know it's a cry for help. It's annoying & disrespectful to users who may have lost a loved one due to suicide. Ask your ? again. I recall a great A you gave another member. "guest" - NO, you are NOT free.
(25 Mar '13, 19:59)
ele
@flow I would appreciate it very much if you would stop talking about ending your life unless I'm wrong & you are serious. You said the thought was fake. Why did you join IQ on Christmas Day? Why don't you drive? Was your license suspended? Why are you in 'prison'? What do they expect from you in return for food & shelter? Just think about what I asked. Get Dr. Wayne Dyer's Books - Power of Intention would be a good start.
(25 Mar '13, 20:18)
ele
@ele The thought "I love my life & I'm going to live my best life NOW" is fake because I cannot express it, I cannot ground it. I don't remember why I joined on Christmas Day but I would guess it's because I was feeling sad that another Christmas had passed. I don't drive because I never learned to and don't have enough money to get a driver's license or anyone to teach me, or the money to buy and/or sustain a car. Focusing on this is making me sad again so I don't want to talk about it.
(25 Mar '13, 20:30)
flowsurfer
@ele Do you understand what I mean when I say suicide is a form of prayer?
(25 Mar '13, 20:50)
flowsurfer
@ele As far as asking the question again, I have asked the question multiple times in multiple different ways, with general as well as a specific focus without getting a satisfactory answer. If you have an answer, look at my questions, pick one and answer it.
(25 Mar '13, 21:12)
flowsurfer
@flow My mistake - I got distracted before I could finish the post. I did see where you said 'FAITH In god"s love". Couldn't find it & used FAKE cause 2 MIN'S later I forgot what you said about fake - duh. I think you should deal with your pain bodies first. You have anger under your calm & controlled exterior. I'll leave you be & it's not fair to you to post when I just don"t have the time you need. Best Life Now is a book.
(25 Mar '13, 21:24)
ele
@flow I think so. You are praying for assistance. We ALL KNOW this. Why do you keep repeating yourself?
(25 Mar '13, 22:18)
ele
@flow as for your questions - truthfully, I haven't read very many. Then I started to skim. The ones I read were all the same (model, height) & I could not see any way to assist you or even connect with you for that matter. When I have time, I WANT to read your questions.
(25 Mar '13, 22:28)
ele
@ele I am asking if you understand that suicide is a form of prayer because you are stating that you find annoying and disrespectful to mention it.
(25 Mar '13, 22:44)
flowsurfer
@ursixx You sure are handy. We are all very fortunate to have you here & I appreciate you very much. Thanks! @flow have you ever read any Carlos Castaneda? Dyer & Myss have done some really great work together also. Both Dyer & Myss have become more "God" focused.
(26 Mar '13, 01:14)
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@ele I listened to the book too. and "Change your thoughts..." and the "The Power of Now".. Wayne is a great speaker. a real good listen .and Eckhart is so much fun to just get lost in his words. they and Jerry are constant companions when I take walks or cut grass..
(26 Mar '13, 04:21)
ursixx
@ursixx I know, I do the same. I love audio books & I learn something new each time I listen. Dyer has dozens of books. They never get old. If money is a concern; libraries have most of these audio books to check out . My books are all highlighted. Chopra, Dyer, Myss, Tolle, etc. etc. If you listen enough times; eventually it will sink in. You can even find Goddard in audio.
(26 Mar '13, 04:49)
ele
@flowsurfer "Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei"
(26 Mar '13, 18:11)
ele
@flowsurfer I apologize for the silent prayer comment. It shouldn't be your prayer.
(26 Mar '13, 20:09)
ele
@ele You don't know me, you only know the perspective of me you can see from where you are, looking at what I posted. Sometimes I am less appreciative than others but in general, I do not "lack appreciation". Being any more "appreciative" than I already feels like defeat, a sense of lacking self-worth.
(28 Mar '13, 01:54)
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@flo That is your main issue - lack of self-worth. I've said it before. I also know you are frustrated, venting loudly & a very good & kind person at heart.
(28 Mar '13, 05:05)
ele
What are you talking about ele? I didn't "admit" I was "being dramatic". Suicide is something I consider seriously but am very afraid of; and I can still find some hope when I look hard enough. Because of the mix of fear and hope I haven't done it. But there is no life for me worth living if I can't manifest the things that I care about and that is something that some of you don't seem to understand. I just cannot stand people telling me to "just deal with it". Suicide to me is preferable.
(03 Nov '13, 00:16)
flowsurfer
I'm having a hard time right now and doing what I know and can do to keep myself together because I still think there is hope. I don't get you ele. I don't understand what it is you are trying to do. I don't really understand why you say these things. You sound mean to me. The car accident thing? Seriously ele? I don't think I like you.
(03 Nov '13, 00:36)
flowsurfer
poetic license @flow Your exact words were - " I'll probably never have the courage to kill myself but that doesn't mean I'll ever be ok" ~ flowsurfer and "I feel trapped and I feel the only way to relieve the pressure would be to die. That doesn't mean I want to die. I want to live and be happy." ~ flowsurfer 10/2013
(03 Nov '13, 00:38)
ele
@flow - a quote is similar to a poem or bible verse - it's open to interpretation. When you constantly say "God does NOT love me" & you believe God is Santa Clause & you use suicide as a form of prayer - it leads me to conclude you are trying to manipulate God & now me.
(03 Nov '13, 00:41)
ele
If you don't think God is "Santa Clause", tell me ele. What is God like? If someone I love told me they wanted something so bad that they felt like killing themselves and I had the power to give that something to them, even if I thought that something wasn't really ideal, even if I thought it was stupid, I would give it to them. Period. If not, I would at least offer something else to comfort the person. What is your concept of God?
(03 Nov '13, 00:58)
flowsurfer
@Barry Allen Is there a reason why my comment disappeared after I saw it post?
(03 Nov '13, 01:10)
ele
@flow ... as for God - it's easier for me to tell you what God isn't than to define God by any words. Recall when I said to another member I had never seen a picture of God - only pictures of Christ? You quickly responded with this picture This image does NOT look like Santa Clause. It appears to be a vengeful God; like the one you believe is punishing you. 'God' is loving.
(03 Nov '13, 01:13)
ele
You know what, I don't really care what you think ele. You're not a friend, okay, I get it. Have your opinions, have your views, have your judgments. Think of me as someone "who is being dramatic", talk about how I'm setting myself up to lose my legs, do whatever you want. It makes no difference to me. You can neither grant nor deny my desires. So why should I care? I shouldn't.
(03 Nov '13, 01:26)
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@flow I've never told you to "just deal with it". I never said a hug would fix anything. I hoped it would help & you made it very clear that it did not. I already told you if I could grant your wish I would & I also told you I couldn't. You said "If not, I would at least offer something else to comfort the person". I've used words of comfort to no avail & I've used words I thought would empower you, again to no avail. When I left here I had no plans other than to be a spectator & here I am.
(03 Nov '13, 01:47)
ele
@flow You are as much 'God' as I am. What I KNOW for sure - 'God' is Love & source energy. Since you don't like my Beatles's zen - I will quote Goddard Neville again in case you missed it the first time. "If everything in my world is in me, then everything in your world is in you & if I am in your world, then I am in you."
(03 Nov '13, 01:55)
ele
What does it mean to say that God is "love & source energy"? I don't think your God is very loving if you have to say he "isn't like Santa Claus" to someone. Neville's God was very loving. He would get silly, shallow things for people, like a hat, just because. No judgement, no "learn to love life without the hat", no "you're not getting the hat because you need to learn a lesson" just "here it is". One of the most touching stories I've heard is of the little boy that...
(03 Nov '13, 02:30)
flowsurfer
... used Neville's teachings, which he overheard, to get a puppy dog. Not because puppies are inherently important in life but because he wanted it and he innocently assumed he could get it, despite everyone telling him "No, this is not what this is for". Him getting the puppy dog is what a loving God in action looks like. That is what God being "love and source energy" means to me. I have my puppy dog. The puppy dog is a symbol of my relationship with God, with existence itself. It matters.
(03 Nov '13, 02:34)
flowsurfer
@flow If you are speaking of the religious concept of 'God' then I believe with all my heart God is loving. God does NOT reward & God does NOT punish. If God did, all the ppl you view as 'good' would NOT get cancer or have any problems & all the ppl you view as 'bad' would be in jail or have health issues. Is this the Goddard story you are referring to? http://forums.scienceofgettingrich.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/107609152/m/3386074332 If so, you better read it again because God (Part A)
(03 Nov '13, 04:18)
ele
(Part B) did NOT give this child a dog. The child manifested the puppy himself. This link explains it better than I could. The very same info on manifesting & creating the life you desire is available here on IQ. As for what I believe source energy to be -- it's our connection to the cosmos & it's a two way connection if you are attuned to it.
(03 Nov '13, 04:24)
ele
But that is exactly what I mean ele. Yet I constantly hear "no, you can't manifest that, don't be ridiculous". In fact, you just wrote that in this very answer by saying the only way I could manifest an increase in height is if I get in an accident, lose my legs and get prosthetics. Before, you wrote about my organs going to someone that is tall. I'm constantly told it's not a legitimate desire, that I have to look deep within myself and make peace with my current height and get on with my life.
(03 Nov '13, 15:11)
flowsurfer
Now, I realize I have had trouble applying manifestation techniques. Which is why I have hope that if I get it right, I'll overcome this. I have shared why I have had trouble and asked for help. Yet a lot of people, like you, seem more interested in telling me to give up and move on. In telling me, "you can be happy another way". In telling me to be general, even though I clearly have more resistance to being general than to being specific. I don't want to debate the merits of my desires.
(03 Nov '13, 15:19)
flowsurfer
On an unrelated note, flowsurfer have you watched and done the FasterEFT video?
(03 Nov '13, 15:22)
Snow
I want actual help in applying the processes to actually manifest the life I want. I know it's difficult because my life experience has resulted in me being, right now, in a kind of strange place. It is difficult because I am not general. It won't make it easier to try and force me to be general, I cannot be general. It would help to stop trying to choose what it is I should want for me and to respect my own values. Help me align to my values, not yours.
(03 Nov '13, 15:37)
flowsurfer
@Snow I have looked into EFT but it just seems so absurdly stupid to me that I didn't feel inspired to follow up with it. I just can't see it being at all helpful. In Bashar terms, it's not a "permission slip" that resonates with me at all. Why?
(03 Nov '13, 15:52)
flowsurfer
Because my view was creepily similar to your own until recently, and I wanted to see what you had to say about it. Watching the video I even said to myself I hate that this works / it's stupid that this works. Despite believing it would work beforehand, because it's justifiable in terms nobody can disagree with, even if you have to fall back on psychology and creating mental constructs that work for their own sake. If you don't mind give it a fully invested run or two and give feedback?
(03 Nov '13, 15:59)
Snow
@Snow Can you explain to me exactly what I am supposed to try (give a fully invested run)?
(03 Nov '13, 16:14)
flowsurfer
@flow I didn't say it was impossible & I didn't mean to imply that your desires were absurd. I think ALL things are possible & unexplained things happen all the time. I also believe in miracles; not to imply you need divine intervention. I don't believe it is probable in the state you are in now. The first step I would advise is to accept yourself the way you are now. Love the YOU, you are NOW! Then start manifesting small stuff to gain confidence & faith.
(03 Nov '13, 22:18)
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You can only show the way,the person as free will that it is @Flowsurfer or anny one else.They have to help them self.They have free will and are responsible of it.Every one reap what they sow after all,be mercifull with them,they might deny you more then 3 times,tend the other check,until their choice is made. "Truly I say to you that this very night, before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." So should you not be mercifull with other?How will you find peace?and make that heart of yours pure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm_-kNaPsp4 Do not be surprise at my saying:In this world many judge after the flesh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Man90t5Ct5w After all who is with out sin to cast the first stone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRlbXS3oUUg Would you not want mercy? Blessed are the mercyfull they will be shown mercy. So let there be light,Be the light that you can be,experience and enjoy. |
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Honestly Dollar Bill....this guy has asked the question of how he can foster a belief that he can quickly grow taller, and command his body to do so......not one person on this website has told him that this is a load of ########!! We can help others by being REAL, HONEST and not afraid to offend them.............. @Monty Riviera Telling me I can't grow taller does not help me in any way whatsoever. Even if it is true. If I trusted you to know what you were talking about, reading this would send me into a very deep depression the inevitable result of which, if I continued to trust you, would be either active suicide or death by apathy. Thankfully, I am a very doubtful person with a lot of trust issues. :)
(24 Mar '13, 20:51)
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Then dont trust me....dont believe in me....and dont commit suicide. BUT pleased dont put a question on this website about how you can achieve a faith in something that you know will never happen. And frankly if what i say on this forum will result in apathy and suicide... then for your benefit and for the public record....SEEK HELP.
(24 Mar '13, 20:57)
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@Monty Riviera Do you not understand? The kind of "professional help" you refer to has no value to me, I do not want the help they offer because I do not want the result they attempt to reach. This is me seeking help. I do not know that this will never happen, if I did, I would not put a question on this website or any other.
(24 Mar '13, 21:06)
flowsurfer
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@Monty Riviera :If flow had asked a question on how to get a million dollars. and stated a lot of negative beliefs about why he can't/ won't get them would that be a load of bullocks? When I read flows questions I try to see beyond.The shortness, the age and the model thing I see that it all has to do with his beliefs. The core of his quest. He has just started from the outer layer....
(25 Mar '13, 02:38)
ursixx
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...after I read through this (@Dollar Bill s question and your answer ) had the thought that you and Bill would probably have a great time playing a round of golf..
(25 Mar '13, 02:41)
ursixx
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Spot on Monty haha. The only reason I haven't said anything on that thread was because only even the idea of doing so made my fantasy imagine tons of ways to make fun of him. Well, I kept the laughs for myself, there were too many to type them down anyway. @flowsurfer, I already told you, but you're like a flood gate, not flow surfer... stuck in one desire. Why not let it go? Say fuck it, I won't be model. Let's do next exciting thing. I used to down because I didn't have a girl. I wanted..
(25 Mar '13, 07:02)
CalonLan
I must agree ursixx, if Flowsurfer has asked the million dollar question my answer would have been different. Your spot on there.I guess my own perspective on many things is LIMITED. I literally know a guy that started off in a small Northampton village who recently sold a company for over a billion dollars.I m cool with that, its possible,realistic and attainable.Ive seen it, i know it,it fits with my belief system.Growing 6 inches doesnt!
(25 Mar '13, 07:05)
Monty Riviera
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...a girlfriend so much. I tried so hard to get one. And I got her eventually. But I wasn't happy anyway. It wasn't natural. It was pushed, organized and orchestrated. And it wasn't from love, but greed. In which respect it's the same situation as yours. You believe you need a certain height to be a model? SAY WHO? Some company? Well screw them. If you love modeling, you do it no matter what people say. But perhaps that's not really the case. Do you want the life style? Then you can have it...
(25 Mar '13, 07:07)
CalonLan
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As for the game of golf with Bill....my short games terrible and i would doubtless spend most of the afternoon at the 19th hole! Dont know whether Bill shares my love of real ale! Can that be had in the States?
(25 Mar '13, 07:08)
Monty Riviera
(25 Mar '13, 07:20)
ursixx
...even without being a model. Even poor can live like kings. So let it go, I let the idea of needing a girlfriend go long time ago. I'm ok with living and dying alone. 'Cause there's a lot of fun I know of, and girlfriend would be just of inconvenience at those times.
(25 Mar '13, 07:26)
CalonLan
@CalonLan Just out of curiosity, "Do you want the life style? Then you can have it even without being a model.", how? I'm curious to know how you think that can be accomplished; in large part because I'm curious to know what you think I think the "life style" is.
(25 Mar '13, 07:57)
flowsurfer
I have no idea what kind of life they lead, but it's also irrelevant to know, because the basic applies to any kind of life. If they sail on yachts, well you don't need to be model for that! If you wanna party all the time, you don't need to be model either. Whatever you sought after, there's always many other paths to get it. It's only when you understand the WAY, you no longer need the PATH (of model in your case).
(25 Mar '13, 09:08)
CalonLan
@Monty Riviera - "....this guy has asked the question of how he can foster a belief that he can quickly grow taller, and command his body to do so......not one person on this website has told him that this is a load of ########!!" Is it? Why has no-one else (on this website) mentioned this? I have read a lot of posts here and there seem to be few people afraid to call someone down.
(25 Mar '13, 09:20)
Dollar Bill
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@monty Riviera - we each live in different universes. In @flowsurfer s' universe, growing taller instantly IS a possibility, or he would not have voiced the question. In yours, it is a "load of ########" to grow instantly taller. Both Universes are valid. But do we have the right to criticize another person's dreams? Does that promote love and harmony? Maybe @flowsurfer will pull it off! I would love to see that happen! Especially if using his connection with source brings him Joy.
(25 Mar '13, 09:28)
Dollar Bill
@CalonLan Let's go with the sail on yachts and party all the time. How do suggest I accomplish that?
(25 Mar '13, 09:44)
flowsurfer
@Dollar Bill I never said anything about growing taller instantly. That would be cool but I have always expected a somewhat natural, if speeded up process of gradual growth. And yes, you will see (or read about) that happening.
(25 Mar '13, 09:48)
flowsurfer
What if this mother had said that unicorns don't exist? That would have crushed the girl. Maybe the girl will grow up and gene splice a unicorn ;) http://youtu.be/sgU3yOM_tH8
(25 Mar '13, 10:19)
Fairy Princess
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@Monty Riviera - I disagree. Every great religion and philosophy have stated that "All things are possible to them that believe." And it is an adage that has been proven time and time again by some of the greatest "achievers" in history. In my experience, though, the Universe more often eventually gives you what you REALLY WANT (your strongest desire) rather than what you THINK you want. So if what flowsurfer really wants is to grow taller...he will accomplish it one way or another. But...
(25 Mar '13, 11:02)
lozenge123
@flowsurfer "One that has a strong enough why, can bear any how." You may take a well payed job to earn money, or become a thief and rob the money off them, you can move to a place where they build yachts and build one yourself etc. I'm only illustrating that PATHS are many. But you should forget the path.
(25 Mar '13, 11:05)
CalonLan
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...if it is something else that he thinks tallness or a modeling career will give him (wealth, fame, a certain lifestyle, etc.), then the Universe may find a different, easier way (a path of lesser resistance) to get this to him. The time delay which occurs between now and when it is delivered will likely depend upon the degree of alignment between the individual and the desire.
(25 Mar '13, 11:06)
lozenge123
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@flowsurfer - "Let's go with the sail on yachts and party all the time. How do suggest I accomplish that?" - I have actually known people who lived this lifestyle. Most of them were entrepreneurs, worked in finance or the corporate world. They just made lots of money, and then formed a group of friends that engaged in random, super-expensive activities and parties every weekend.
(25 Mar '13, 11:10)
lozenge123
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@Dollar Bill and @monty riviera a long time ago i have told( @ flowsurfer ) him the truth about is getting taller he can gain 2 inch not 6.if he would really want it he would get is two inch.But that is not is real problem. That is more is excuse. Is real problem is to have accepted and believe the discrimination on height for model, To have believe that he needs to be popular and need to have money and success.And to have believe that other wise he is no body.But he see only the outside.
(25 Mar '13, 16:00)
white tiger
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And he does not see how it relates inside. He does not understand that the need is made by is own choice and he as free will and is responsible of is choice. Eventually he will wake up and see that it was foulish to torture him self with need and belief imposse to him by other people free will.He will see that it satisfy only is ego. But for the moment it torture booth is real self and is ego. When the 2 become one and the division is solved the first step will be done.He will be more in balence
(25 Mar '13, 16:06)
white tiger
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and have more option for him. But for the moment he focus on what torture him. So he turn the knife in the wound and say it hurts.The more you focus on something and the more you see,ear and feel it. He should see this as opportunity to get to know him self better on the inside so that he can have a better and bigger picture then he will not have to focus on choice that hurt him in the short or long run.
(25 Mar '13, 16:15)
white tiger
And i agree with @Calonlan that you have to see the truth and where you made error to make better choice.It is better to do this then focusing on what is not working get mad and closing the game.A good gamer will see is error understand the problem better and find a work around.Closing the game and getting mad just mean that you are not ready to progress see the truth and your error and make better choice. This is true in this world and in the virtual world of gaming.Good gamer know this.
(25 Mar '13, 16:28)
white tiger
@lozenge123 @CalonLan It's strange that you people think I haven't tried that approach. In fact that was my strategy between the age of 15 and 22, before I realized I was wasting my life with that strategy. Even now nearly every time I feel despair over not being able to grow taller, I try to swing back to "just make enough money to enjoy a reasonably good life". Then I realize there is no way for me to make money that I would find acceptable; there may be one in theory but I can't find it.
(28 Mar '13, 01:18)
flowsurfer
I can't even describe the depth of this feeling of frustration...
(28 Mar '13, 01:21)
flowsurfer
@flowsurfer - Do you still think Bashar is a fraud? If not, I've recently come across something that may be helpful. But if you are not keen on him, then there's no point.
(28 Mar '13, 01:56)
lozenge123
@lozenge123 I think Bashar is a persona Daryl uses. I don't trust Bashar any more than I trust any other human being but I also don't "distrust" him. I think some of what he says is nonsense, some makes perfect sense and some I don't know. Show me what you have come across, please.
(28 Mar '13, 02:13)
flowsurfer
@flowsurfer - Sure. It's a few hours long.
Part 1 here: http://archive.org/download/BasharCollectedVideo2011/Bashar-Part2-BrickWallsBeliefsAvi.ogv
(28 Mar '13, 12:43)
lozenge123
Actually @Monty I can think of a way this could manifest based on his beliefs & emotions. He gets in an accident which severs both his legs at virtually the same point either below or above the knees. If he can convince his Drs it's in his best interests to be taller; I'm sure they can fit him with prosthesis which will increase his height. Careful what you wish for....
(02 Nov '13, 20:40)
ele
Well Ele, I hope Flowey doesn't go THAT far, hes a great guy and I hope he stays in one piece ! I know he wishs that one piece was a little taller but hey, it could be worse. Im sure he has a lot of positives in is life. I hope he hangs on to all his appendages.
(03 Nov '13, 05:50)
Monty Riviera
Well @Monty You sure interpreted my comment in a negative fashion. Did you think I was putting a curse on flow or wishing him ill will? Let me set the record straight - I wasn't.
(03 Nov '13, 06:20)
ele
No ele I didn't, I wrote a light hearted response! If I had in any way thought you had cursed Flowey I would have said something very abrupt and straight to the point. Just thought I would set the record straight too.
(03 Nov '13, 09:18)
Monty Riviera
Reason for downvoting: You know the reason.
(03 Nov '13, 15:43)
flowsurfer
@Monty To be perfectly honest my comment to you was more for @flow 's benefit than yours. I guess you could say I used you. Obviously I was a bit touchy after a couple ppl said I was mean & hoped you didn't have the same view. Your comment made me laugh now. Thanks for that & the clarification.
(03 Nov '13, 22:06)
ele
Hey @flow I have a feeling you are still hanging out here ~ listening. After you were banned, I saw your location come up on feedjit every time I viewed IQ. For reasons I cannot explain, an email from this answer keeps appearing in the email acct which I use for IQ. This particular email popped up a half dozen times in the last month for absolutely no logical reason. There is no earthly explanation for it appearing & I have no virus. Perhaps the message is for me & not you; (1)
(20 Dec '13, 21:56)
ele
(2) but since it was addressed to you & I was thinking of you each time it appeared, I think you should take a look at it. I know it sounds crazy; but what I'm saying is true. I could have just told you to look at the comment made by @lozenge & not told you why; but I wanted you to know I thought it was important. I know you are NOT a fan of Bashar; but I think it's worth checking out the links lozenge posted again. Perhaps play it as loop when you go to bed.
(20 Dec '13, 21:59)
ele
It's lozenge's last comment to you under this answer. @flowsurfer - Sure. It's a few hours long. Part 1 here: http://archive.org/download/BasharCollectedVideo2011/Bashar-Part2-BrickWallsBeliefsAvi.ogv external link (opens in new window) Part 2 here: http://archive.org/download/BasharCollectedVideo2011/Bashar-Part3-TheHolotopeExperienceAvi.ogv external link (opens in new window) (28 Mar, 12:43)lozenge123
(20 Dec '13, 22:01)
ele
This is the email which keeps coming forward in my inbox when we used to be able to subscribe to comments under threads we posted on. lozenge123 has just posted a comment on the answer posted by Monty Riviera to the question How can we best help others? Following @flowsurfer and others
(20 Dec '13, 22:04)
ele
@Monty What if I said he never wanted to grow 8 inches in height. What if it was a metaphor ~ he needed us to tell him how to manifest the impossible... Perhaps his plight is the same as growing 8 inches & he wanted to keep his troubles private. I don't think any of this has to do with being vertically challenged. I think there is a perfectly logical explanation as to why he never finished HS, why he doesn't have a driver's license, never had a job, isn't in college, why he couldn't >
(20 Dec '13, 22:12)
ele
< get a Visa to come to the US when he had the means to do so & why he lives in his mom's basement when he's 28. Everything makes perfect sense to me now. Except for the part where he says he's never been kissed before; but I can understand that.
(20 Dec '13, 22:18)
ele
@Monty I can't leave w/o injecting a bit of humor. Turn the letter o into a u like @ursixx did above "why he can't/ won't get them would that be a load of bullocks? (25 Mar, 02:38)ursixx & pretend you are a dumb American.... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bullocks ... isn't @ursixx clever? lol
(20 Dec '13, 22:32)
ele
dang ... had to come back to correct something @Monty I meant he believes his situation is the same as growing 8". It's NOT ~ just very hard; but certainly not impossible. It's not my story to tell; but I will say this ~ he can't get a DL or a job or go back to school for a reason. It doesn't have anything to do with not wanting to work at Micky D's. It's not that he doesn't want to work or go back to school or drive a car. He wants what everyone does ~ right now, it's NOT an option.
(20 Dec '13, 23:44)
ele
@ele Jesus was kissed by Judas and we all know how that story end. so maybe he @flo better wait for the right person. you probably can understand that. smile. as for the metaphore I do not think so; he was persistant on it with a life story to lie would not give him the answer he seek. if he want to manifest the impossible he would first need to know what is possible and what is not possible. where he stay what he as what he did not finish is the choice he made and can have is own reason for-
(20 Dec '13, 23:59)
white tiger
making that choice. if he does not work and seek the big life style he better have a rich family or is plan will not work to much. since he told us that he needs money. on less he does something bad to get lots of money fast with out needing to work. to have that big life style to praise him self. he will cut himself short. if he wants so badly to be tall send him to a short people place. once he hits is head enough on the ceiling he will probably change is mind. and see that this desire is-
(21 Dec '13, 00:01)
white tiger
futile. he should get to know him self as he is. not as he imagine he should be. because it is not who he is. and he cannot see what he as since he see only what he does not have. so what if he is short lots of short people became famous and made money? do you think that size add anything to do with it? in the matrix movie when Morpheus told neo do you think it is air that you are breathing he understood this will you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWaxF8jlnm0
(21 Dec '13, 00:22)
white tiger
@white tiger Sorry ~ I know what I'm talking about. He doesn't live in North America or the UK ~ he lives in a 3rd world country. He doesn't have a rich family either. I think something between you & I was lost in translation. If I didn't make it clear ~ he feels his situation is w/o hope. It's not impossible ~ but ~ in his mind he feels like it is.
(21 Dec '13, 00:22)
ele
then @ele you would say is mind is the problem? who own it? who program this mind? he should not stop seeking until he find. rather then trying suicide if he cannot achieve what he think he desire. why not go meditate until he find. worst scenario he will go above and make is choice not to come back down if that is what he decide. and if he come back down he might start to experience and enjoy life.
(21 Dec '13, 00:31)
white tiger
Excuse me @white tiger Please clarify what exactly you mean by worse case scenario.
(21 Dec '13, 00:36)
ele
simple he can meditate and go back above that is better then suicide. yet for someone that would not know he could think that the person died from natural cause or find no cause for the death of the body. when you cross the last narrow door it is similar to neo when he cross the mirror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFhn_GUAhGU moving from one state to another. from the physical to the spiritual. in the matrix movie it is from a pc simulation to physical world.
(21 Dec '13, 00:45)
white tiger
Thank you for clarifying @white tiger Meditation is good advice; but until you've walked in his footsteps & you know all the facts ~ it's always best NOT to assume...
(21 Dec '13, 00:50)
ele
@ele we speak of what we know and report what we have seen. I gave alternative that is a lot better then suicide. think about it this way if you destroy the body and want to come back down from above because you make the choice to return to this world. you will have a problem and if you can return in this destroyed body you might not enjoy it to much. I think it is helpful. is it not a better way? also he might stop after the water level having only see is own light and found this enough.
(21 Dec '13, 00:58)
white tiger
@ele thanks for the "clever" I hope you are right that the flowster comes back and reads this question again and again. Lots of good answers and commenting
(21 Dec '13, 01:22)
ursixx
since the division is solved in and out at the water level mind and heart.it takes many day and the will to do it. if there is no alternative on the outside. it is a alternative with in. if Jesus, Buddha, Enoch could do it and have talk about it. what is stopping some one to do it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbBmpaDBizA it was pretty clear I am the way the truth and the life. I am the resurrection and the life. I am the light of the world.
(21 Dec '13, 01:24)
white tiger
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@Dollar Bill yes why indeed do these helpful bits seem to fall on deaf ears? ... "How can we best help others?" ... I would suggest rather ... How can I best help others? feeling paranoid ? ... back to square 1 (1x1 or 11x or 110) 110 = drawing of a hollow tube 11 is the profil and 0 as seen from above Definition of paranoia in The Free Dictionary; a psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason ... extreme irrational distrust of others ... a form of schizophrenia characterized by a slowly progressive deterioration of the personality, involving delusions and often hallucinations. Definition of paranoia in the Urban Dictionary; No chance I'm gonna give a definition. What if someone's watching? :o @releaser99 says "sometimes it is more helpful if advice comes from a vibration that is lower than love first" ... hmm, looking at the emotional scale if someone is at the "bottom" what vibration do you suggest to them? ... death. Perhaps this explains why most murders take place between couples or close members of the same familly, it would be a kind of "proof of love" And this questions the very validity of the emotional scale ... how do I see the emotional scale? a never ending double spiral, a ladder with steps like a spiral staircase, infinity downwards and infinity upwards ... so what is abundance ?
cornucopia and what does "green" signify? ... The Free Dictionary; the hue of that portion of the visible spectrum lying between yellow and blue(notice the word "lying"), evoked in the human observer by radiant energy with wavelengths of approximately 490 to 570 nanometers, any of a group of colours that vary in lightness and saturation and whose hue is that of the emerald or somewhat less yellow than that of growing grass; one of the additive or light primaries; one of the psychological primary hues. Urban Dictionary; yes ... it is most definitely referring to the marijuana ... and also upon occasion, any substance with similar uses. too properly, of course, it's a golfing term, but that's really not much fun, now is it? 'yo where da green at? green? between red and blue Haven't bee here for a while and just noticed this post of mine pop up. I do not have notifications enabled so it must be Synchronicity? I am trying to understand your comment @jaz. Could you explain "paranoia" and "green"? What are you trying to say?
(28 Jun '15, 09:49)
Dollar Bill
My present take on 'helping others' is that the best I can do is focus on their positive qualities - sometimes I have to dig deeply, :) and amplify those qualities. I do them, and myself, no good by focussing on the qualities I see as dis-positive.
(28 Jun '15, 09:52)
Dollar Bill
@Dollar Bill green is between red and blue as shown on my diagram in my answer to the question "what is the sweet spot in terms of time for making cleanups highly efficient"
(28 Jun '15, 10:06)
jaz
@Dollar Bill "paranoid?" ... there ain't no chance I'm gonna explain that, only you can do that Bill :)
(28 Jun '15, 10:11)
jaz
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@Dollar Bill Thank you for seeing me as "a powerful, passionate, eloquent, persistent, focused, determined, intelligent, loving person". That is probably the best way to help.
@flowsurfer- Yes ^^, but do you see yourself that way?
@Nikulas No.
I don't understand the question.
@flowsurfer - I see you having those attributes, unquestionably. I believe that me seeing them is the best way I (or anyone else) can help you.
@Dollar Bill - "My comments, are meant for myself" - Really? I've probably written thousands of comments to myself over the years and I've yet to see any of them appear on a public website by themselves ;)
Isn't this monologue really about something that you feel "triggered" about - some aspect of yourself that you are uncomfortable with and, rather than deal with it, you are hinting that outer conditions (us who triggered you) should change to make you feel better? Or have I misunderstood?
I totally agree with @Stingray. And I often make this mistake myself(if we could call it a mistake, because there is no right or wrong anyway). It is never the outside things that make us feel bad. It is always something in us. Because outside world is always, always, always neutral and objective. Inside world (mind) is judgy and subjective. So I like to ask a few questions that I asked myself because your valuable question triggered it in me @Dollar Bill...
4.Is punishment even a concept that is possible if you believe in LOA? Because it implies that you can make someone feel bad and that you have the power to do so. Isn't everything internal? And don't we attract everything ourselves?
5.Aren't concepts of victimization and pity disempowering concepts like punishment because they assume external power over us?
I believe this question serves a great purpose, not to call anyone out nor imply that anyone was right or wrong, nor that there is a wrong or right to be had. Instead, that there are different approaches that can be more or less effective for different scenario. Anything more than that feels to me to be... Hmm. ^_^
@flowsurfer. i told u that u where great, Thank u, love to u my friend. keep ur head up, LOVE
Bumping this question back to the top for the newbies & because @flow desires attention ...
That is not really what I desire ele. What I desire is empowerment. While my default is to look for it "within", sometimes I need to ask for help, even when I doubt anyone can provide it. Yea, asking for help involves drawing attention, so what? The attention itself is not the point. The worst that can happen when I ask for help is that I stay in the same place; but maybe, just maybe, I'll find something helpful.
But go ahead ele, be dismissive of my suffering. Pretend it can be helped with "hugs" and "it'll be alright". Pretend you actually understand what is going on in my head or in my life. Pretend I share what goes on within me because I want to expose myself. It doesn't really make any difference. Well, not to me, at least not anymore. But I think this kind of attitude hurts a lot of people who are truly desperate and it is cruel.
@flow Didn't you recently say you gave up on the idea of growing 8 inches taller & wasn't your focal point anymore? Isn't attention a cry for help?
I must admit this entire situation confuses me to no end. Though at your quote..
"The worst that can happen when I ask for help is that I stay in the same place; but maybe, just maybe, I'll find something helpful."
I liked it. Good quote.
It's more like 7, and no, I did not ever say I "gave up"; I am frustrated and there are other things I care about but I didn't "give up". The issue of it being my focal point is complicated because while other things matter to me, even more in some ways, the "structure" of my desires is such that this kind of has to be the focal point because I don't know where else to focus on without contradicting my own desires.
@Snow If you missed my edit. I said "isn't attention the same as a cry for help? Sure I could have used the word 'help' instead of 'attention' when I bumped this thread BUT I chose NOT too.
No, attention is not the same as a cry for help.
@flow "No, attention is not the same as a cry for help" ... in the context I used the word - the meaning is the same.