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Is the theory of Scientology "real" and is it based on channeled information? Has any other channeled source talked about "Xenu" the main character in Scientology theory before? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep8vcoVgBrs I believe that everything that we can come up with or are able to create in our minds exist in a paralell reality. So if I say the earth was created in 7 days by Santa Clause and Chuck Norris using chopsticks, this is actually "real" in a paralell reality. However, I think there is a reality line that we have agreed upon. So we agreed that this is year 2013 and we agreed upon one history. Hope that's clear somehow :). So in our agreement about our reality of earth, could the Scientology theory be our history? What do you think?
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...except for the fact that history is always changing because Past, Present and Future are all happening in the Now. Your experience of history might seem consistent with what your current Now seems to be but that doesn't mean it is consistent with a past Now. Check out the way that history changes for Captain Picard and his crew and how it all seems consistent for them... I was listening to one of the recordings from the 9D Pleiadians last year and (if I recall correctly) someone asked them why they were now talking about a race from the past as existing in a current Now history of Earth whereas on earlier recordings they said that race did not exist in a current Now history of Earth. The Pleiadians explained that our timelines had shifted so that the race Now existed again in our history. Confused yet? :) I think that's the problem with trying to view 5-D mechanics (where time doesn't exist) from a 3-D perspective (where time feels very real). So regarding your Scientology question, I think the story of Xenu is just as real and valid (or even, invalid) as, say, a story about some virgin giving birth to a "son of God" in a donkey stable in the Middle East :) There's obviously something within Scientology that attracts some people but I don't really see it as more far-fetched as the stories/myths underlying all the mainstream religions. I tend to put them all on an equally far-fetched level :) Where I think Scientology makes life hard for itself, as compared to the other religions/cults that exist, is in their pushing against those who criticize them. Most other belief systems of this nature tend to mostly ignore their attackers but the Scientologists seem to "fight fire with fire". It's their choice but the Law of Attraction then brings them more fire to fight, and more people to start more fires to fight :) "Scientologists seem to "fight fire with fire". It's their choice but the Law of Attraction then brings them more fire to fight, and more people to start more fires to fight" Very accurate assessment & very interesting answer.
(16 Apr '13, 05:22)
ele
"Earth whereas on earlier recordings they said that race did not exist in a current Now history of Earth" This makes sense when time only exists in the now. Couldn't make that link before, thanks. "Yesterday's Enterprise" is a great example, love that episode. I'm not particularly interested in Scientology but are they really the only one who push against? Maybe they push harder. I think people just seem to prefer ancient outdated stories. So that might be the reason why many people hate them.
(16 Apr '13, 05:43)
releaser99
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@releaser99 - "Maybe they push harder" - Yep, they're smarter than the average bear... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pqyax6gwzQ ...sorry, I mean, they push harder than the average cult :) ...so the effects are more noticeable. But you still see the same effect happening with the extremists within any average religion. The more they push, the more they attract others who push back. Even happens on IQ: The ones who try to push their opinions attract a force of anti-push :)
(16 Apr '13, 07:42)
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Hmmm...it's not often you see Scientology, Star Trek and Yogi Bear on the same web page :)
(16 Apr '13, 07:48)
Stingray
@Stingray - Something I've been wondering re: these concepts for a while...let's say you want to manifest something that has a direct relationship "with the past." Made-up example: I want to discover a piece of ancient Annunaki technology buried in the earth. Is it more helpful for me to manifest shifting into the specific reality where that back-story is true, or rather, to just simply assume that all of these religious/historical back-stories are true simultaneously here and now?
(16 Apr '13, 12:11)
lozenge123
@Stingray - Also...out of sheer curiosity...do you happen to remember the race the Pleaidians were talking about? Thanks.
(16 Apr '13, 12:12)
lozenge123
@lozenge123 - My view would be that it would be more effective to focus on a reality where that particular back-story resonates with you and feels true for you (because there's power in a point of focus)...same principle as with Bashar and quitting smoking by shifting to another reality
(16 Apr '13, 12:47)
Stingray
@lozenge123 - I think they were referring to the Lemurians. I think in one reality they destroyed themselves but now they exist again in the past :) Don't quote me on this though - it's going from rough memory. I tend to listen to large batches of recordings from a particular channeler at a time - often for a number of weeks to really get into the "vibe" - and I don't usually keep track of what recordings I've listened to. I'd need to somehow track down that recording and verify.
(16 Apr '13, 12:54)
Stingray
@Stingray - Thank you on both counts. I, too, have been listening to a ton of Bashar and at times I've wanted to refer back to something (to include in a post here) but have forgotten which recording it was in! Part of me almost want to start taking notes...but then that would make the experience less fun. :)
(16 Apr '13, 22:16)
lozenge123
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@Stingray "it's not often you see Scientology, Star Trek and Yogi Bear on the same web page :)" It depends on what you smoke and how much :)
(17 Apr '13, 05:36)
releaser99
@Stingray Btw I quit smoking (or created another reality) a few month ago after reading that link. So thanks again for sharing.
(17 Apr '13, 05:53)
releaser99
@releaser99 - "Btw I quit smoking (or created another reality) a few month ago after reading that link" - Very interesting. I'm almost tempted to take up smoking in order to try the quitting technique :) Did you not experience any withdrawal systems, like Bashar says, because you had now become a person who had never smoked in the first place?
(17 Apr '13, 07:00)
Stingray
@Stingray Yes, exactly. I didn't experience withdrawal for more than a few seconds a day for about 2-3 weeks. As soon as my old belief wanted to convince me that I am a smoker and I need to smoke, I immediately said to myself (to my old belief): "Sorry mate, I am a non-smoker and I always was a non-smoker. And you know that! Remember your childhood, youth and your adult life so far?". Then the urge to smoke went away immediately.
(17 Apr '13, 07:48)
releaser99
Of course I had to feel that it's true and not only say shallow words to myself. I really felt and still feel how it is to be a non-smoker in the first place. The funny thing is when others asked me how to quit smoking I said with a serious face: "I really don't know how to quit. Maybe you should ask someone else. I never was a smoker."
(17 Apr '13, 07:49)
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Then they laughed and assumed that I was joking because I smoked about 20 cigs/day before. But I wasn't joking :). It's fun to live in a new reality where you didn't smoke in the first place. Reminds me of Method acting. which is used among famous actors.
(17 Apr '13, 07:49)
releaser99
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@releaser99 - One problem with playing around with all these behavior/belief change ideas is that, after a while, you start to run out of addictions to break :) I hope your impressive results with that method will inspire others in a similar situation to give it a try.
(17 Apr '13, 20:03)
Stingray
@Stingray, they have done just that. How encouraging! @releaser99 first of all congratulations! That is quite an accomplishment. I would love to hear details about how this worked for you, that you would be willing to share. I looked at that method, but it just felt too vauge, and I really didn't "get it". I quit smoking years ago, but there are still plenty of things I would like to change about myself. :) Thanks in advance.
(17 Apr '13, 21:38)
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@Stingray So true :). @Grace "I would love to hear details about how this worked for you, that you would be willing to share." Of course :). Could you clarify what it is specifically you don't get about that? Maybe ask it as a new question. It's easier to go into detail in the answer section than in the comment section :). And I'm sure others would benefit too.
(18 Apr '13, 05:41)
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@releaser99- I too, struggled with this concept. I discovered it months ago and actually bore some success with it (yes, ironically it did seem a tad of Method Acting was at work during that phase), yet trying it on more complicated, emotional issues with me hasn't worked well. @Grace I too encourage a collective consciousness IQ view on success/fails with that method.
(18 Apr '13, 06:10)
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@stingray YES, it is all moving all the time. it is funny to hear treb explain that even your past is probable, just as ur future. I loved to hear that. LOVE brother
(11 Jun '13, 08:07)
TReb Bor yit-NE
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Well the Mormons have a good story too http://youtu.be/OtIyx687ytk?t=8m01s 2
I enjoy the Mormon story too, especially the South Park take on it :). http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104253/joseph-smith-part-1 http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104256/joseph-smith-part-2 http://www.southparkstudios.co.uk/clips/104257/joseph-smith-part-3
(16 Apr '13, 05:11)
releaser99
@releaser99 - One my favorite all time episodes.
(16 Apr '13, 12:13)
lozenge123
@lozenge123 I agree :). Did you know that the authors of South Park (Matt stone and Trey parker) admire Mormons? They find the story ridiculous and funny but they love the lifestyle and the happy life that most Mormons seem to live.
(17 Apr '13, 05:58)
releaser99
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L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer. He made up the story about Xenu or Zenu and the theatans. Scientology is NOT a good idea for anyone. If you have any doubts about this, watch these videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaL2FNMRCws I will post more in the comments below. 1
Famous people leaving the church and explaining why... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meN7Nb--q7w
(14 Apr '13, 17:37)
Rindor
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Here is Part 2 to the video above... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVNSc3ah7M
(14 Apr '13, 17:38)
Rindor
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High up family member of the church leadership leaving the church and why... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syvp-Gp8EPY
(14 Apr '13, 17:59)
Rindor
This video is made by quite a joker. But what he shows you in his own comical way is truly a Nightmare! Would you want your life monitored the way Scientology does it's members? Would you want church security guards watching your every move out in public? This is scary stuff! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUk5fVEsrhg
(14 Apr '13, 18:28)
Rindor
Narcanon/Scientology connection. A Real money maker. Don't go there! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvJB93KAXE
(14 Apr '13, 18:35)
Rindor
The X Files. Part one of three... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_3p-e64Bmo
(14 Apr '13, 18:45)
Rindor
How Scientology knows all about you. This means you will; have NO secrets! Hello? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuRaBMDgWZk
(14 Apr '13, 18:47)
Rindor
Had enough? ;-)
(14 Apr '13, 18:47)
Rindor
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https://whyweprotest.net/community/ We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u114/anonymous.jpg
(16 Apr '13, 04:07)
ursixx
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As far as I'm concerned most if not all religions are [read: were once] correct, just different languages and labels put on similar history lessons that became corrupted and perverted over the ages through extremely large games of 'telephone'. I see the 'truth' in just about every work of art and story I see, just that it's being presented from another perspective. I haven't studied enough specifics of Scientology to actually speak about specifics, but as I recall it had parallels I could easily draw to my own beliefs and understandings of reality and existence. But I can see this anywhere I look, and I'm not so sure it is because the message is actually there or simply because I want to be looking, and so I'm seeing what I wish to see, as I believe we all do. [Edit: 06/10/13] One other thing I would point out regarding the topic of Scientology. Like them or hate them, one cannot deny they have many successful members in many positions of power. Of course much of this must stem from the inward support they get from other members, still it does make one question the idea there might be some degree of potential behind their beliefs. |
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I haven't studied Scientology and certainly don't know much. I used to work with a guy who was fairly high up in the Church though and was soon to be quitting his job in order to work for their office full time. He claimed to be healed of past life difficulties and emotional and physical problems from the program. He was a "clear" which means they have gone through the entire program and are deemed free from past life problems. They do believe in past lives and interactions with alien life in our past from what he told me. He was a Vietnam veteran and told me that he had been extremely "messed up, homeless and into drugs" before joining the church. Those higher up pledge thousands of years of service (so this life and into many next lives) to the church. That creeped me out and I never got any further info! |
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