Why does it matter to you if the US has taxes? You live in Latin America.

But of course, enslaved people need not pay any taxes as they unite under the flag of one world order, where there are no borders just one planet.

Perhaps finally we'd be able to unite, and since there would be no more disputes amongst countries, we'd set off to conquer the whole space. Colonizing galaxy after galaxy, inhibiting planets and subduing any alien race that cross our way.

ALL HAIL SUPREME STAR FLEET COMMANDER! ALL HAIL EARTH EMPIRE!

Sounds great and I can't wait! =))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs have you seen this?

I said nothing about "no taxes". I merely said no income taxes. I think all levels of government could be financed just fine at current levels with nothing but an intelligently designed property tax. I would prefer the government to be much smaller but I recognize taxes as a tribute (something you give to thugs so they leave you alone); I don't particularly care about taxes, I just wish they just took the money instead of taking the money plus being a pain in the ass about it.

@flowsurfer Property Taxes! I think you meant a sales taxes in lieu of an income tax which I would support. That way everyone pays. (I said what I did to get a reaction out of you)

No, sales taxes are just as bad, if not worse, than income taxes. Property taxes are universal (they don't target any one group in particular) because everyone needs a place to stay (to sleep, play or work) and has to pay somehow for it (even if indirectly through higher prices on bread due to the taxes charged on the farmland and all the supply network). If properly designed, they are also impossible to evade. The richer pay more because they use more (and more valuable) land but everyone pays.

http://blip.tv/theneothinksociety/mark-hamilton-reveals-a-3000-year-old-secret-5301321

Yes it is a worthwhile endeavor: become a politician. We need representatives of the people who truly care first and foremost about the people.

If you guys ever see me getting into politics you should be a bit worried and/or excited.. >=]

@flowsurfer Please send me a link or two regarding your property tax solution. I'm listening. The reason sales tax could work & IMO a fairer tax is because people who evade income taxes would pay taxes when they purchase goods or services. Everyone would be taxed equally & the more you purchase in a year, the more taxes you would pay. Obviously for this to work, there would need to be an exemption for the poor.

I've been working on things like "easy ways to promote economic growth" and safeguards against depressions. Also things like ways to facilitate that housing, food & health be easily supported rights for all; and openly accepting immigration (like that tiny effing idea that America was FOUNDED ON -_- ) while causing it to stimulate the economy (which it already does, and will do nothing but after handling aforementioned issues)

I'll consider taking a swing at taxes when I find a bigger bat. ^_^y

@Snow I'm glad to hear it. I told you a long time ago you could have a future in politics.

"I'll consider taking a swing at taxes when I find a bigger bat." hmm... alter ego?

@Snow Judging by what you are saying, your bright idea is composed of 1.Socialism ("easy ways to promote economic growth"/"safeguards against depressions") and 2.A Welfare State (housing, food and health as rights for all). I'm sorry to say but you are far from original and if I cared about politics at this point in my life, I would regard you as a political enemy. I just want the government to keep the peace and otherwise stay out of the way as much as possible.

@Snow I most certainly don't want the government as a manager breathing down my neck at every corner to make sure I do things "the proper way". We have enough of that already, and you want more? Sorry, two thumbs down for you.

@Snow That being said, I regard the government as basically a corporate intermediary for theft. So if the barbarian hordes need free food and etc, that is fine, but let's make it as simple and straightforward as possible: give every citizen a flat cash dividend every month and let them buy the food, housing and healthcare they want with it. Don't make things more complicated than they have to be. If handouts are necessary to keep the peace, like the tributes Rome paid barbarians, that is fine.

I don't believe we should dictate what people do with their bodies nor what they put into it. I do believe if someone voluntarily does something with this freedom that increases their likelihood of harming someone else [increasing risk..] and does so [..without being responsible enough to handle it] then they should be punished more harshly. In the personal freedom sense, there would be more, not less. Food is not welfare, nor is room to live or being afforded healthy life. These must be rights.

Otherwise eventually one group will become so successful they will own all the space there is to own. Everyone must be allowed to survive, and it isn't difficult to do. If you can't figure out how to provide healthy life and education to all of your people then you have no business trying to lead. These are the most basic fundamental key parts of existence. If it's possible with sticks and stones, it's possible with more tools. More tools simply equate to more responsibility.

I look forward to seeing you in the political battlefield, I always enjoy a healthy debate to test the foundation of one's beliefs. This is how we grow. ^_^y

@Snow Please watch the 3000 year old secret. I believe this would be right up your alley. That is the Twelve Visions platform.

I like what he says, and I would even go so far as to say he shouldn't be using the word 'government', but all life. The only emotion that will drive me to raise my body in violence and force is love. If I am fighting to protect someone I love there is nothing that will stop me until my objective is complete, at any cost up to and including my life. Similarly I can protect myself with that same love for others, because if I allow myself to fall then I will no longer be able to protect anyone.

Until our people embrace this same approach to their every day life as they would want our government to do in theirs, I fear our government will have difficulty accomplishing its appropriate role in existence. I have faith my generation will embrace this, because I am blessed in seeing this behavior more and more as I look for it in the kindness and hearts of others, especially some of the most unexpected places. I have faith and hope in our future, hopefully hope will be enough. ;) ^_^y

@Snow excellent, I wish I could get you in the S.O.S. but I have shown you Mark Hamilton. I believe you would love the Neo-Tech heirloom packages! A whole new way to think and believe our future could be.

@Snow A healthy debate in the political battlefield? Politics is war, nothing less, nothing more. I do not however, care much about it because the spoils of that war are not that valuable. You say food, shelter and healthcare are "rights". Yet human beings are either inherently immortal (as consciousness) or inherently meaningless (as mortal animals, whose past is destroyed at death). What you are describing is the attempt to deify society, to find metaphysical security in other people.

@Snow If you are charging taxes, or for that matter have any sort of law, you are dictating what people do with their bodies. That dictation requires you to exercise force upon their bodies when they refuse to comply. There is no "politics" in the absence of dictating what people do with their bodies, because we can't regulate anything else! Unless you just mean "I think in my socialist utopia people should be allowed to get high, as long as they do so in a socially responsible manner".

Everything is war if your definition is a contest of wills. Just different games utilize different tools to meet varying ends.

Just because one is perceived as a mortal does not render them useless, nor even if they were immoral.

What I'm describing is recreating the same types of governments we have now with a hearty dose of logic, common sense, and understanding.

You're creating a strawman and arguing against it rather than what I said. My parameters were clear on my intent. ;)

I would continue to explain my standpoint however the administration around these parts appears to be keen on the idea of more strongly regulating the flow of information here. So, if you're really as not interested in the topic as you say (so much so you feel like discussing it) you can drop me an email, I gladly welcome discussions on this topic because it does interest me, and I like to grow. =)

@Snow Right, you want to make what exists already work better. That is what makes you an enemy of mine; I don't like what exists already and think the world would be much better if current institutions, including constitutional democracy itself, collapsed. Which is probably why they are collapsing, I am attracting that. In reality we live in an eternal state of anarchy and everything is bound to change sooner or later. At some point, the world we know will cease and we will enter a new age.

@Snow Or at least I will. Maybe you'll exist in a parallel social-democratic utopia while I live in a world that is actually interesting and fun.

@Snow & @flowsurfer - interesting dialogue. You should take the discussion to a political forum .