@Stingray - "The tricky part is when you've then figured it out yourself (to an extent) and then try to explain it to others who only have a casual interest...doesn't seem to work too well :)" - That sums it up so darn well.

@Stingray "The tricky part is when you've then figured it out yourself (to an extent) and then try to explain it to others who only have a casual interest...doesn't seem to work too well :)" Yes, I agree it's really tricky. I know you know those internet marketing folks that are confronted with the same "issue". For example a customer wants to learn how to earn money on the internet fast to pay his bills. Those marketers know the solution, but it's usually not a quick fix, not a magic pill...

You have to learn many principles of marketing, go through trial and error etc. But knowing this demotivates the customer. So those marketing folks have a "trick" to keep the customer motivated so to speak. They increase the desire of the customer by pointing out disadvantages of not learning all that stuff and also pointing out advantages of learning it.

They amplify pain and pleasure and increase desire. Furthermore they give a little "magic pill" that will fix a little part of the customer's issue (because most people will only believe something when they see it) to move them to the vibration of hopefulness. I'm curious to know your opinion about this approach.

@releaser99 - "I'm curious to know your opinion about this approach" - I use it with people all the time...almost :) It's usually pretty obvious to most of the "IQ old-timers" what people's "issues" are when they initially turn up on this site asking for a life-change. But those people are usually blind to them themselves. So when you tell them directly, they won't listen or believe you. So one has to do a bit of pain & pleasure prodding until they get into a vibrational place where...

@releaser99 - ...they can "hear" what you are saying. Sometimes the message gets across but quite often they "blow a fuse" because they've reached the limits of their existing belief systems and associated behaviors. At that point, they either disappear from the site or they play variations of the "I'm-going-to-expose-you-fraudsters" game often leading to a clattering event: http://goo.gl/lxfe3 . Occasionally through subsequent life experience, they come to a realization that you...

@releaser99 - ...were genuinely helping them all along and they come back for Round 2, 3, 4 etc. :) "Conversion Rates" are not that good when you can't assert into another's reality but can only influence them towards what you think they want out of their lives. So all you can do is "plant seeds" when you feel inspired to do so and trust that some part of them is going to make use of that information otherwise it wouldn't have matched them up into your reality in the first place.

@Stingray-Sometimes I notice you toning down your answers to certain questions. It's as if you have gauged where the questioner is vibrationally and then you answer the question in a certain way where the person has more chance of hearing the answer. Amazing ability:) Maybe you are already aware of this? Ive notice if I answer a question and go in gung ho with too strong beliefs it usually has an adverse effect:)

@releaser99- Excellent answer. I agree, these ideas are not a quick fix or something you can learn overnight. Maybe some people can do it, I'm definately not one of them:)

@Stingray "planting seeds " I love it!

A very wise friend of mine helped me to realize one of the many ways I was having trouble listening by showing me a method he used with some other similarly-hard-headed individuals. He'd give them ideas in such a way they would come to the conclusions later and think they were their own idea.

Since then I've tried to be more receptive to simply being given the information rather than requiring the song and dance, but at least now I know how to work with other hardheads like myself.

@Satori - "Sometimes I notice you toning down your answers to certain questions" - If that's happening, it's not really a conscious thing. I mostly just follow what I feel like doing. Though sometimes I'll intentionally write a long piece because I know I can refer to it multiple times in the future - saves time. Having said that, words on a page, or computer screen, are just "placeholders" for a person's vibration. I find one can often get a definite sense of the person behind the words.

@Stingray That's interesting, thanks :). I would have expected you to give an answer along the lines of "Don't try to influence people, just stay aligned":). I also wonder why Abraham sometimes say that you shouldn't try to help anyone. And at other times they suggest that uplifters may soothe people's beliefs etc... It seems contradictory to me. Also regarding that approach, would you say it is a good idea to work with pain in Focus Blocks? Or is this creating more limiting beliefs?

@Satori Thanks :). And don't worry, I'm not one of them either :). In fact I would consider myself being pretty ungifted emotionally. But meanwhile it seems as if I'm even more sensitive emotionally than most women who seem to be gifted naturally. For me it took just a lot of desire and "hard work" to figure it out.

@releaser99 - "It seems contradictory to me" - There's no contradiction because what Abraham actually say is don't try to help others at the expense of your own connection because now you have two out-of-the-Vortex people and you have nothing left to genuinely offer them upliftment-wise. Playing the self-sacrifice game is really just an ego-trip anyway because it implies that others are not strong enough to help themselves and need your "superior" intervention. It's a different story...

@releaser99 - ...completely when you choose to help others from a place of stable connection within yourself. The tricky part of this is though that when you are there, LOA won't bring others into your reality that are not a vibrational match to you or, if they are already there, they become invisible to you. Uplifting from a place of connection is the only real value that one can ever offer another - it's what Abraham do themselves - and it's co-ordinated from "broader perspective".

@releaser99 - "would you say it is a good idea to work with pain in Focus Blocks? Or is this creating more limiting beliefs?" - Sorry, I'm not really clear on what you mean. The ultimate useful purpose of any clearing method (including basic Focus Blocks) is to give yourself (or anyone you are trying to help) enough emotional breathing room so that you/they can find a way to step back into Vortex alignment...because that's where all the "solutions" lie.

@Stingray "don't try to help others at the expense of your own connection" Okay, I get it now. Thanks!

@Stingray- Nice points. I could read stuff of yours all day, but im too busy enjoying my life these days hahahaha :) You've helped me out so much, and yes, I see the irony in trying to uplift others. Usually, they're "never around" when you're feeling so good, and people who are in their emotional vicinity, trying to help, arent gonna do much good unfortunantly. Meh, they'll figure it out eventually as Bashar says.