In reference to example 3:

Mark 6:4-5 New International Version (NIV) 4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home." 5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.

I have no idea what that meant.

lex, he is not surprised, perhaps take a starting point of what is understood then shuffle the concepts and look again

Haha I'm completely joking! That was just the first thing that popped up when I searched cosmic egg. Okay I understand. I found a lot of different things on it, mostly on World Egg instead of cosmic but they're the same thing essentially. A creation myth used in a variety of different cultures. I still don't grasp what this had to do with me when you say "your karma impacts you now as you tease us", unless you're trying to tell me I'm unenlightened and too concerned with petty desires.

Send me a link because I couldn't hardly find anything on it.

lex, much of what is relgated to myth is closer to Truth than linear thinking theories. karma is seldomly taken into consideration on what befalls one now, as well as the future recompense of setting others on a false course. and,if someone tells me they have the short-cut to manifesting petty desires he has little interest in hearing/ reading more

Fred Could you tell me how you see karma? I'm not sure what I think about it - Abraham says it doesn't exist, Stingray on a post here on IQ says it doesn't exist. Why do so many say it does exist? How does it work? Just when I think I grasp it, I can't explain it ... any thoughts?

Good question @Catherine A new member wrote a book on soul families. I know you mentioned being curious about this subject in the past. Perhaps now would be a good time to ask a question about soul families & another question about karma. I didn't mean to imply @Fred would not have a great answer. I'm sure he will.

@ele I'm working up to asking a question on this as none of the answers to questions about karma has completely satisfied me. It could just be one of those things that is so hard to pin down, that no one really has the ultimate answer ... it feels a bit like wrestling with an octopus. Having accused lex of teasing, I am hoping he doesn't tease me with one of his cryptic answers!

catherine, if he says it is about accepting responsibility for actions taken (decisions made) by a potentially self-conscious being one sees the theathre of free will. then superimpose that on the Design of creation, each life form with a purpose and reacting within the greater theathre of Nature's rules of cause and effect for both spirit (consciousness) and matter (manifested form).

con't this picture expands with reincarnations as we learn to complete the circle (cycle) of knowing who we are, that we put into motion everytime we act whether conscious or unconsciously a compensatory return, even if over more than one of our earth lives

Fred - I understand, I think, but in practical terms what does it mean? For example, I assume you mean that every action has a reaction (remembering my very basic science education there) but how does the individual know when they are creating bad or good karma because people vary hugely in what they feel is "right" (i.e. good karma) or "wrong" (i.e. bad karma) so how does the individual know whether they are creating good or bad karma, assuming karma exists?

.... contd ... An example of this would be "it is bad karma to kill people" but would it have been bad karma to have killed Hitler? I can see that pretty quickly one gets caught up in all manner of trouble by trying to define it and yet I don't feel that the Abraham "karma doesn't exist" is really the whole story either.

catherine, what is practicallity in a world so far removed from it's potential. value judgements are man made and based on what her/she can see. yet self-consciousness the holds potential awareness of a universal morality that any member of mankind could see. your example, a snapshot out of history, has implications from many years past that culiminated in a world war and we (collectively) still don't know how to stop the killing

No desire based upon love and desiring to help others is petty. Which all mine are. So if this "cosmic egg karmic" concept applies then good I have nothing to worry about.

lex, one of your examples included 'getting it the way they want it and to their benefit' until a better way is found. to his ears that does not sound as a universal intention. a discussion for aother day is your concept of what is good

ready improvement in the case of person c; is it not? if person d is similar on good things from person c that is good; if person d is in error and not in truth like person c then it is the same as person a, b, c ; if person d is better and not in error like person a , b , c then they will not properly split that piece of wood and will cast that stone at him and fire will come out of that stone and burn them. .

when the choice of person a, b , c will be definitive and they will cast that stone at person d; person d will be a passer-by, since they cast stone at him person d will also make is choice and move on, the judgment as been done out of their own choice; they should have lifted that stone and properly split that piece of wood. I have answer your question according to what you have said. even if you say it is hypothetical it relates to something if not this question would not have come to be in-

existence and you would not have been so quick to ask this question. the fact is that you are trying to find the truth about this; I have given you the truth about it but do you see it? or are you blind to it? Verily verily I tell you: you are the one to save your self or to judge your self. what measure are you using? Did you heareth my word? Let there be light, be the light that you can be, experience and enjoy.

Oh yea nearly every question I ask applies to my life, but the examples I use don't in any direct way. I give examples that other people can relate to so it will be easier for them to give their answers, instead of describing my situation, my thoughts, etc. But what I'm saying is that it seems you're taking some of the things I'm asking in the wrong way, I am not judging anyone in any way, shape or form nor do I have bad intentions. That's why I state that in literally every question I post that

the hypothetical people in my examples "don't have any negative, fear based, control seeking intentions", because I don't either. I don't think you can successfully practice the law of attraction and put it to good use if you're busy being manipulative, controlling, or just flat out evil and truly be a happy person. Mean people can use this law, but there are massive repercussions. Hence why I stated their intentions in the question. Thanks for your input though, I appreciate it.

this is what you said in example one:declares that it WILL happen and that there is absolutely no possibility of it not happening. sees no other possible outcome other than what they want and truly desire and is feeling it in the NOW. what they want they are not alone in this world are they?

this is what you said in example 2: They now KNOW and TRUST that the situation will turn out the way THEY want it and to THEIR benefit, and have the outcome they desire and see no other possibility, unless it is better than what they have been visualizing. They use the same methods as person a. listed above when doubt occurs. They accept no other possibility. does it seams similar? and read example 3: and you will again see similar word used by person c. in fact person c as the same mind set as-

a and b. and person c does something positive he see potential in someone else. yet he judge that person d is in fear. I will tell you a little secret those that see only the outside of the cup see their own darkness reflected at them and they judge other by their own standard it does not mean that this darkness is in person d. the light shine in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it. if my word is a light on your path you are not in darkness any more. if I have been your helper-

so be it. let there be light, be the light that you can be, experience and enjoy.

will also add that one that see only the outside and does not properly split that piece of wood and lift that stone does not really see the other person standing in front, since he will attribute to the other person the things that are reflected from him self on is own water. And the person cannot accept this as truth and it remain the same and the person does the same saying it will be as I please and it will not show I can hide it. what will happen in a place of truth love and peace where he-

cannot hide it not even from him self. will he still want to cast that stone? will he regret casting all those stone that where is to other? will he be ashamed? Verily verily I tell you Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered.

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

My deeds, intentions, etc. aren't evil. And I assure you I study the bible quite frequently, among other helpful, peaceful concepts. I don't know how you expect me to even do the things you're saying when you're speaking in metaphor instead of being direct. I can't decipher whether you're trying to help or just criticize me.

you say that you study the bible yet you do not know what I am saying; can you not hear and understand my word? can you visualize? picture this in your mind a lamp a flame(spirit) a glass(water, soul) you are the one inside the glass, when one look only on the outside and see error(wood) and judge(cast stone) other on things that are not in other but in him it is, is own reflection on the water that he see and cannot accept it out from the overflow of is heart he produce evil. He judge other and

judge him self. in this world people can hide things but above nothing is hidden from other or from your self and it is the truth. I have helped you I did not judge you. it is better to speak in metaphor for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. since many are not able to accept the truth and be the light that they can be. the light shine in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it.

No I'm grasping exactly what you're saying although I think it's coming from a place of criticism and judgement. You've basically been saying that I am acting superior, prideful, boastful in my desires and am judging others who I feel lack the drive that I do aka light that I am pretending to have, that instead of judging those people who i perceive as lesser individuals because they are fearful when they are merely but a reflection of what i don't like about myself. That I need to self reflect

because the lack and limitations I see in other people I am seeing in myself basically. You're saying I'm judgmental of others and instead of shining a "light" and am becoming this "darkness" because I supposedly lack the ability of perception when it comes to right and wrong, selfish and selflessness. The verses you typically use when you answer my questions or telling me my issue is that I am blind to the truth of this and am running from it. Okay.

You've basically been saying that I am acting superior, prideful, boastful in my desires and am judging others who I feel lack the drive that I do aka light that I am pretending to have, that instead of judging those people who i perceive as lesser individuals because they are fearful when they are merely but a reflection of what i don't like about myself. That I need to self reflect. I did not say this but if that is what you see on your reflection on your water I will let you be the judge of-

lol well that's what i'm taking from it.

this. but if you are the person a, b ,c in the example and want to have it your way since your way must come first before other then I would say that many are first that will be last and many are last that will be first. if you want to be the first to have your portion your portion listen this it can help you understand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_QCQ5i7NKs

you were lost I have helped you to come to your self.

will also say those word if it can help you: I give sight to those who cannot see and take away sight from those who claim that they can see. if one cannot see him self and properly judge him self; why judge other? how can he put him self in someone else shoe and walk a mille to know how it is from the other person experience if he cannot do it for himself? to the measure you judge also will you be judge. do not judge and do not do what you hate.-

for all things are plain in the sight of heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered. who is without sin to cast the first stone? you better use discernment in truth from a pure heart with mercy, justice, good faith.

People who fail to understand nature of the universe and everything in it which is based off of that fundamental understanding..that is cause and consequence...will use words such as 'luck, free will, choice, miracles' on daily basis. It Only displays one's ignorance.

td, one can ameliorate negative karma earned by positive present action. going back to change what has been done before it was done, does not happen

...that neither love, nor hate, ...when you can become indifferent to whatever duality you encounter, you will see clearly. Any sort of partiality will mislead you. Just like it did when you were writing up your second part of your post.

I can tell, for I understand all you said pretty much, although I despise about almost anyone.