I think people use "ethics" because that's their way to feel better with themselves: just as we're trained to look for physical solutions and align only this way, we also "must behave", if we know of no way to unconditionally align. (And because we don't know, that we don't create in the experience of others, only their vibration does.)

If we're not aware of our seeking compliance in order to find a good-feeling association to focus upon, we must comply, by the survivor instinct.

And why - because we think we must behave in order to deserve, and that we must deserve in order to survive and get what we want.

As I said already in some other thread here, Abraham at Sexuality workshop said we're looking for compliance because we don't believe in our own power to create our life, and so we're looking for an authority to behave as it says, for it to give us what we want.

All because and when we don't understand that in unconditional aligning, we hold our own power in our own hands.

Honour, morals, ethics, religions, laws, courts, government, police, social service, military ---- are all man's ignorant attempts at fixing the symptoms because we'd rather not address the cause.

The cause is always thought. The keyword is responsbility. It's really simple. But we cannot have simple answers, can we now?

I prefer to let other people carry on with their debates and fights and arguments over honour, morals, ethics, religions, laws, courts, government, police, social service and military ---- while I try to mind my own business. I know that if I do my job, i.e. keep my thoughts on the right subjects, I will never need honour, morals, ethics, religions, laws, courts, government, police, social service or military.

perhaps for integrity
or a reverence of life,
to enjoy a rising sun,
otherwise, it matters little

Before one can talk about ethics, we must think about this question: Where do ethics come from? For, if we figure out where ethics originate, we can then decide if those ethics have a value.

There are a few places where we develop our own ethics. Surely the ethics of our parents (to a certain extent) come into play; we can also derive ethics from life experiences, especially important ones; and ethics can come from our teachers at school and church. You can probably think of more sources than these.

Broadly speaking, if we consider ourselves in God's world, then of course we would look to God for an absolute recitation of ethics. More personally, we feel bad when we do things that are "wrong"- if we felt that they were not wrong, we would not feel bad. I know that most people draw on some sort of ethic based on what God does and does not approve of. I know that for myself, I can feel inside of myself when I do something wrong. I suppose other people do not feel this...but I do. So, you see, perhaps a bit, how ethics come to be.

The value of ethics is even fuzzier than figuring out where they came from. I see the value in that keeping to a common ethic, I can stay away from being punished by society for wrongdoing. I do not like tickets. I cannot imagine being incarcerated- ugh. But I also keep these ethics because they match pretty well with my own. I do not drive down my suburban street going 100 mph, because I would hate to hit a child that happens to be in the street. Other people in my neighborhood evidently do not agree. I suppose they think that such a thing could not happen to them. I pray it does not. So one value of keeping to ethical behavior is (quite simply) to keep myself from feeling bad.

Another value is also in the "I do not want to feel bad" category. Acceptance is valuable- we like being liked. Keeping to the standards in a group helps us feel safe and gives us a sense of belonging- feelings we like. Being excluded, being hazed or chastised, feels really bad. Sometimes, we are excluded because of our looks, or clothing- why kids hurt other kids for this is beyond me. I was hazed by many as I grew up- two particular boys managed to accomplish this 11 years in a row- one of them tried it in my Senior Biology class and finally was expelled. So, even when we obey the "group rules", we will find those in that group who still will not obey all the rules. I tried to "fit in" because acceptance felt good. On a genetic level, acceptance is vital. If we are outcast, we are very unlikely to pass on our genes (i.e., getting a mate and having a child). Thus this part of ethics serves all of humanity. Conforming to the rules helps us attract mated and reproduce.

EDITED FOR CLARITY 10/06/2014

A quote from Jesuanity....:

The moral values of the universe become intellectual possessions by the exercise of the three basic judgments, or choices, of the human mind: .

1. Self-judgment -- moral choice.

2. Social-judgment -- ethical choice.

3. God-judgment -- religious choice. .

~* Thus it appears that all human progress is effected by a technique of combined revelational evolution ~

@Dollar Bill says in his post this:

And the Law of Attraction says that if I operate from a standpoint of what I consider "unethical behavior" this is how my world will treat me. Do I need to repeat this?

We all struggle thus with ethics, even when we do not want to do so. But perhaps the greatest value of ethics is in helping us to make the hard choices. What choice will I make that will leave me feeling the least bad?

The LOA says that we always have many choices when faced with the future. This is where we need to be consistent. You can say that we are "conditioned". But are we? One can say that they choose to be a free-thinker. But when this "free-thinking" ends up in our death, what have we achieved? We have ethics, then, perhaps to keep us on a consistent (straight, perhaps?) path.

I have not been able to let this question go. I feel most strongly that it is almost foolish to pretend there is no God- or that we are all "free" to do what we want. I have to stand up for my beliefs, which are based on personal spiritual experiences. This is classified in William James' lectures on The Varieties of Religious Experience as mysticism. (BTW, these lectures, collated into a book, are a really good read.) How can a person ignore the vast majority of mankind and his experience in the face of overwhelming evidence of man's spiritual nature??? How can things like Ebola and oil spills be called "meaningless" when we all evolved from this planet? It is our lifeboat. My connection to my Higher Power tells me that I must care about my planet. I also must care about the people who live on it. Moral values tell me this is right.

Blessings,

Jaianniah ♥

Honor, Ethics, and Morals are important because they keep peace and order for all. If these were not observed and you couldn't trust anyone, would you have a bank account? Would anything work on a monthly billing cycle? No one would trust anyone, everything would have to be cash up front then even then you would probably get ripped off of what you would pay for and so would rather keep your money to yourself. But if no one spent money out of fear of being ripped off then the value of money would be worthless. So honor, ethics and morals even keep our money system stable.

Now lets turn to the health field, had no one ethics, morals or honor in this field, how much trust would be placed in this field? You could go to a doctor and he is suppose to cure you but instead he makes you pay up front first then to satisfy you he looks over you and tells you he has a cure that will cost you a hundred dollars now, you get the hundred and he goes into another room and gets some water and comes back and tells you to drink this down. With no honor, morals, or ethics you can't trust your doctor or any doctor even surgery takes a lot of trust!

Next we could go to our food, if the people that make our food do not make it with ethics, honor and morals who knows what they could do to it before we go to eat the food? So the only food we would trust is anything we hunt or pick for ourselves, every person separate.

What if a mother had no honor, ethics or morals, could her baby even trust her to take care of it? Not really, and with no organization with honor, morals or ethics to step in for that baby, how long would the survival of the human race last?

It reminds me of Sodom and Gomorrah anything goes, no one to trust anywhere, everyone for his and her self, life and death don't matter only self preservation at all cost, crime, murder and even cannibalism are the normal everyday experience.

So the Bible has shaped America into the most powerful nation on earth because it has been founded on the absolute morals of the Bible. The greatest of these is love for your fellow humans to give them the consideration and be trustworthy, honorable, ethical and moral as we would wish they would be towards us. In other words to treat others as we would wish to treated. This one right principle when observed by the moral majority gives a foundation built on solid stone that allows everything else to flourish. This one principle, lets us have a monetary system of trade and balances, it allows us to have a heath care system that we can be cured whether from medicine or surgery and know we will be taken care of. It allows us to have supermarkets and fast food.

Everything that we take for granted is dependent on honor, morals and ethics.

All ethics/moral code, can be summed up in one moral "love your neighbor as yourself". Would you ever want to bring harm to yourself?

If you understand what Bashar and Abrahamn says about All being One, then why would you want to hurt others in anyway? If you hurt others, then you are hurting yourself.

Loving others is loving yourself, and loving yourself is loving others; since All is One, they are both connected. Receiving is Giving, and Giving is Receiving. When you give, you are giving to yourself as you give to others.

Most people do not understand that thoughts, emotions, and feelings are THREE different things.

You know what thoughts are. (I think I'll stop writing and go get dressed) You know what emotions are. (That makes me experience anger) Most don't know what feelings are. Feelings are a universal LANGUAGE that is common to all that exists. Psychics (real ones) are able to translate that language into your verbal language.

Emotions BLOCK feelings. Emotions block rational thoughts. Emotions block access to the frontal cortex that controls rational behavior.

The reason we need ethics is because we are spiritually wired for self-preservation Where all are one (as I believe) then feelings help us understand how our behaviors affect the rest of our being. They prevent us from harming the holiness of our being.

Without access to ethics, we are left with morals, but those who establish the morals are not interested in the wellness of the whole. They are interested in their own agendas.

Example: We are now entering the 6th mass extinction of life on earth. This is caused by the predominant Abrahamic religions that - being fear-based - deny members access to their feelings that convey our ethical responsibility to life. This causes them to continue to support capitalism that is destroying life on earth. Capitalism is causiing:

Climate change. It is real, and man-made.

We are running out of water. Not only are bodies of water evaporating, but the increasing population is placing greater demands on it that it can meet. Water by the Hoover Dam is own 130 feet in this decade. In Dec. 2012, the US authorized another 1,200 aquifers for destruction and declared another 150 so polluted that it's not to be used for watering crops. the CEO of Nestle wants water turned over to corporations who will manage it better because they will sell it for profits. (Apparently those who can't afford to buy it should die of thirst?) Absence of ethics led him to say that.

We are running out of arable land. Every year, we lose land the size of Rhode Island. It is turning into desert. This is because of several things: 1) bad farming practices. 2) bad animal husbandry practices. 3) climate change. There is much we can do to fix this, but to do that would harm our economy (capitalism) so we pretend that it isn't happening. Absence of ethics are causing the majority to allow this.

Exponential population growth is putting even greater demands on already-declining resources. Soon there will not be enough food or water to sustain them. Absence of ethics have caused us to hide our heads in denial.

These growing populations need housing, food, water, air, and wood. Toward that end, we are decimating the Amazon Rain Forest that is this earth's lungs. They turn CO2 into oxygen that breathing beings need. Absence of ethics are causing us to remain silent in the face of extinction of life on earth.

Our oceans are turning acidic. In this decade alone, we have lost 10% of the species in the polar regions, where such die-offs begin during mass earth extinctions. This is happening because of CO2 emissions that cause climate change. There are now warnings out about the dangers of eating most fish because of mercury pollution. Our over-fishing is causing the extinction of species.

If the acidification of our oceans kills off the crills, it kills us off, but where is the voice of alarm? It is silenced by lack of ethics and promoted by support for immoral morality that supports capitalism.

some scientists are saying that by the middle of this century, as much as 30-40% of species on earth will be extinct. that means than unless you are in your 80s, your feelings should be offering you warnings about what you are doing. The fact that there is so much silence about all of these things, tells me that it is a rare person who has access to the part of them that explains ethics to the individual.

Knowing that, can you any longer wonder about the value of ethics?