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April 11, 2011 ORIGINAL POSTING I know I have a soul, because I have had many Out-Of-Body-Experiences. But there is a little part of me that wonders about Heaven. I guess I need a little reassurance; I sometimes wonder if believing in Heaven makes us feel better about Death. What do you think? Is Heaven really real? February 18, 2012 ADDITIONAL COMMENTS Wow! I have grown in Faith since I originally posted this question last year. I thought it would be nice to revisit this question because of the death of Whitney Houston...Whatever you feel about her, she had a big impact on the whole world, and me, too.
This was my part of "Heaven on Earth"- my view off my back porch from Mississippi where I used to live...I gave the view up, and everything else, too, to move to Pennsylvania, and to look at the Poconos, and Wade C., instead! |
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For me, Jai, Heaven is a state of being rather than a place. I think it is something we can achieve and experience both here in our physical bodies and after we transition back to spirit. I believe it can be achieved when we feel and live from a place of complete connection with our Source or God. I think there are probably some on the planet who are living Heaven on Earth, so I do think it is attainable here in our physical bodies, but most of us haven't been able to quieten the ego mind enough to experience it :) |
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i belive that heaven is the availibilty to have the afterlife that you wish and to have full acces to god ( the creator) just as hell is the compleate dissconnection to him. I know i have been killing everyone here with the seth material but it is great and the speaking of the afterlife is very important. if you hear this you can find out about the extent of the after life situation. I appologise for the answeres lately being around the seth quotes , I need to start going through all my sources info and use these for quotes but unforunatly there are over 35 hours of sessions to go through with my source and these are only two hours worth and i know them very well. this info is correct( in my truth ) and i hope it helps! love n light, rob this is my "heaven on earth off of my "front" poarch
EDITED 2/18/2012 here is what Treb said recently about heaven and hell . http://alturl.com/22pif love n light rob |
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I have mixed feelings about this. I remember as a kid hearing people say that there is not eternal heaven or hell, but our life on earth can be heaven or hell depending on our choices. That was many years ago, and I have done some exploring of some religions. I have been a Christian for 14 years and have gone to different churches learning different things. I have read the Bible all the way through and then again but not all the way through with different versions. It was just a few months ago that I discovered this metaphysical line of thinking and have had some visions, revelations and thoughts that are different than what I learned in church. I have been reading the Bible with new eyes. Jesus said in Luke 17:20 Being asked by the Pharisees(AA) when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The kingdom of God(AB) is not coming with signs to be observed, 21nor(AC) will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." I looked at this in the interlinear Bible and another way of saying "in the midst of you," could be, "within you." So, it sounds like Jesus is saying that the kingdom of God is within us. In Matthew 4:17, Jesus said, "(AF) From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, (AG) "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Repent means to change one's mind or purpose. At hand means accessable. Jesus tells us that it is important what we think and say. Jesus said that anybody committing murder would be judged, but even thinking angry thoughts would be judged. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Mat 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed [fn] in heaven." Then, later the disciples described thoughts and behaviors that lead to do not inherit the kingdom of God and thoughts and behaviors that lead to the kingdom of God. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, [fn] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Phl 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. My current thought on this is that how we choose to think, talk and behave in this life creates a sense of heaven or hell. This reality that we choose to participate in by right or wrong thinking, is the reality we will inherit for eternity. At any time, we can repent and change our thinking. I have some holes and questions still. Like what about people who live the way Jesus taught except they didn't 1. hear of Jesus or 2. like the people who told them of Jesus, so they didn't want to join their club, or 3. whatever other things keep people from accepting Jesus as their savior? I certainly don't think the current churches really have a clue about Jesus for the most part. Wonderful! Love you, Jai
(18 Feb '12, 14:28)
Jaianniah
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Yes there is a spiritual heaven for God is a sprit and he has placed a part of himself inside of us which is how man became a living soul. Heaven is a place where God dwells and the Holy Angels. Heaven is in a spiritual plane. Yes within is where our spirit dwells and I believe that is our connects to get the many places in the spirit world including Heaven. |
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My, how I have "grown" since I posted this question almost a year ago! The sad news about Whitney Houston has inspired me to revisit this question. If you saw her funeral (which you probably did not, and that is okay), you would have been assured by her home church and the people who loved her that her Light will shine forever, and that she is most definitely in Heaven... I believe there is a Heaven. I have remembered it. [see below] I have also grown in my Faith, and now trust my Faith and its "Owner's Manual" about the spiritual plane. I have been searching and searching for an experience I know I wrote about here on IQ...but I cannot find it; so I am going to re-tell this story, to help you believe in Heaven with all your Heart. I actually have remembered leaving Heaven before I came to Earth as a human being...Other people have also experienced what I have, and have told very similar stories. I remember standing around a large "Vortex" that exists in Heaven as a transit station between Heaven and the Physical Plane. With me were all the friends and family, past and future beings, and they were saying good-bye to me and wishing me well. I also remember that I had discussed my decision with some High Being, and I was over-eager to leave, and become physical once again...I was reluctantly granted permission (I now know that I was impatient, and "jumped" ten years too soon, and also landed with the wrong family, and in the wrong place to achieve what I had set as my goals...but that is another story...suffice to say that my life has proven this to be true, right down to the difference between my age and Wade's.) After hugs and well-wishes, I "jumped" into the Vortex, which appeared very dark and deep from the Heavenly Point of View. I remember the sensation of spiraling around and around, going down, as if I was on a giant, curving chute. With each spiral, I began to lose my memories of Heaven. Each turn, I lost more and more data, and I became angry, afraid, and frustrated because I had loved Heaven so much! But I had committed myself, and could not change my mind. It grew darker and darker with each turn. After a while, I knew no more...That is, until one night, I suddenly dreamed the experience, and knew that I had vowed to myself to remember this with all my heart when it was time for me to remember, just to help people... My first Earthly memory came very early in life. It was my second birthday, and my mom put a cake with three candles (one to grow on!) in front of me. I was in a high-chair. I still had some spiritual abilities as a child...I regularly "left" my body at night, and flew anywhere I wanted at will. I remember coming back to my body early morning, and looking down at myself, and then feeling the sensation of re-joining with my body again. I also remember the day I was told by an angel that I was to no longer do this, and to stay put. God's orders...I was very, very upset about this. I believe I knew that I had not incarnated where I had been meant to go, and was journeying to the place where I had originally been destined to live and thrive. Of course, these were what we now know to be OBE's (out-of-body-experiences). I hope this helps you trust in the fact that Heaven, the Spiritual Plane, is VERY real, exists, and that you WILL go back there when you die, and perhaps later, come down to Earth, or elsewhere, once again. Peace and Heavenly Blessings, Jaianniah |
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We are unquestionably a hybrid of spirit and physical body. Perhaps our physical body view of Heaven is a complete one-ness with Source. Our "pull" is toward that Union. We also know that the Journey and the Destination are the same. A joyous journey leads to a joyous destination. I understand the Heaven better than Hell. @Dollar Bill - does not a belief in heaven automatically create a belief in hell ?
(19 Feb '12, 08:29)
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@bluebird two Not in my universe. No hell or Gehenna. I used to think that we are motivated to avoid pain while seeking good, now I seek to fill my life with good. We may live, now, in a place of space-time duality. But there are no opposites as we pass on into Unity. So there is just Heaven as we change vibrations from the physical plane.
(19 Feb '12, 16:04)
Dollar Bill
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heaven is a connection to god. god is in us all and we are god. when we die we connect back into more of god than we understand it to be now. I don't believe that it is the way it is described. But i do believe that it is whatever you want it to be. It is you being the true version of you with no filters and all connections to the universe. I love Seth ( Jane Roberts) so i will quote her on god. God is more than the sum of all the probable systems of reality he has created, and yet he is within each one of these, without exception. He is therefore within each man and woman. He is also within each spider, shadow, and frog, and this is what man does not like to admit. God can only be experienced, and you experience him whether or not you realize it, through your own existence. He is not male or female, however, and I use the terms only for convenience’s sake. In the most inescapable truth, he is not human in your terms at all, nor in your terms is he a personality. Your ideas of personality are too limited to contain the multitudinous facets of his multidimensional existence. The inner experience with the multidimensional God can come in two main areas. One is through the realization that this prime moving force is within everything that you can perceive with your senses. The other method is to realize that this primary motive force has a reality independent of its connection with the world of appearances. All personal contact with the multidimensional God, all legitimate moments of mystic consciousness, will always have a unifying effect. They will not, therefore, isolate the individual involved, but instead will enlarge his perceptions until he will experience the reality and uniqueness of as many other aspects of reality of which he is capable. He will feel, therefore, less isolated and less set apart. He will not regard himself as being above others because of the experience. On the contrary he will be swept along in a gestalt of comprehension in which he realizes his own oneness with All That Is. love n light rob |
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beitifull, this is a great pic and i am happy you have this