yes you are right stingray but what if the student decide to not understand is not by being the example that the student will remember it when he will be able to accept to understand! to push when one is not ready to receive is not solving the problem but just creating more!

look at jesus he gave a message and he set example! many did not grasp is message or is example but even today he is remember! did he figth to make the student understand? nope he did what he add to do and he left the choice to them!

no it is not as easy as it sounds because what they think is worth it and what is worth it is not always the same but this they will realize when the time comes.

that is why it is not my problem it is solve for me and it will for them when they decide to cross that bridge.

everythings works both way (respect sharing responsability etc.). Stingray.

@stingray - Reminds me of a beaten up boy scout coming home. His mother asked him what happened? He replied, "I was helping an old lady cross the street." The mother asked, "What was wrong with that?" The boy scout replied, "She didn't want to cross the street but I was trying to make her do it anyway!"

Oh white tiger... I assure you that if they were all removed, you wouldn't feel any need at all to try to prove your point. You would in fact be able to reside in that 'knowing' without feeling you have to Prove it to others.No you do not have to "agree" with other people but someone who is 'awake' knows enough to 'respect' other people's opinions. I think deep down everyone seeks 'harmony', and maybe just ask yourself "who is judging?"... if you can be completely honest with yourself, you just might be surprised with the answer.If you can't I've probably just wasted my time saying anything:)

no i do not ask my self who is judging! i know so is the father!

michaela i do not need to prove anny thing. the only person that think i need to prove something is you ask yourself this why do i need for him to prove something to me? and yes i hope every one seek harmony!

in which direction a fire go when it as gone out?

@white tiger... I don't think you got what I was trying to say, maybe the language barrier or maybe you just can't hear me. Maybe just ask yourself why you asked your original question or maybe not. It's all good :)

yes i have got it did you get what i was saying?

Well done Michaela, I suspected you would answer because I know you've seen what I've seen. Challenges come in all kinds of ways thru all kinds of people. Maybe we manifested this challenge to test our own state of being to see if its foundation is truly solid :)

@Eddie, thanks...glad you got what I was trying to convey.Yeah... I'm on a roll manifesting challenges for myself right now, if I can move through the others as easily as this, I'll be doing well :)

have a good evening michaela. peace and love do not contend seek harmony.

challenge comes in many way and form eddy it is part of the evolution process. peace and love eddy do not contend seek harmony.

Yes, you ARGUED with Wade for hours, WT!!! That is my point!!!!! Some people find that just a teensy-weensy bit upsetting....You need to realize that you are pushing our patience a bit here!!! Like I said, we DO respect you, BUT--- others here have ALSO chatted with Higher Beings and seen the stars and so on...You need to learn when to back off and say, "Okay, I guess we will agree to disagree..." By the way, Wade finally DID see your point, but look at all the dialogue and drama that went on to get there??? Is that the behavior of a peaceful, serene Higher Human????see more below...

You are carrying on RIGHT NOW!!!! It's WAAAAAAAY past bedtime!!! Can't you just say, in a wee little voice of humbleness, "Oui, Jaianniah, maybe you 'ave a point???" and let it go? Why must you win every argument? Now, go somewhere quiet and think. I love you. Jai

well for me it is not about winning i am pass that point but you don't see that!

well i have lots of patience so i will try to send you some!

Thanks Jai. Your keen observations, compassion and use of English are second to none! A few of us have offered subtle suggestions to our friend, but when someone insists on always having the final word their state of being is evident and there's no point in perpetuating that...

and there was no drama with wade it was the truth! like it or not!

Monsieur!!! What??? I am being VERY patient. Like I said, Go sit somewhere and think about this VERY hard. <yawn> I will not argue anymore. Please go to bed....and meditate on the virtue of not always having to have the last word....Nighty-Night. Jai

well eddy just by what you have write there i see that you do not understand me! has for my state of being at your place i would not judge that!

@wt - if I may suggest, in the English language we don't use exclamation marks (!) anywhere near as often as you do. They are normally used when we really feel strongly about something, thus overusing them as you do, kind of makes them lose their power and effectiveness. Maybe relaxing your use of them will achieve better results...

@wt - correct, if you were at my place you would not judge because you would have seen the futility of that.

BTW, Eddie, Thank You for your help with WT...I am very grateful for your flattering compliments about my use of English. I just wished that it would always work...<sigh> Communication is a High Priority for me....LOL! Jai

well eddy thank you i will try to use them less often to make you happy. and yes i would not judge because you will be judge with the same mesure!

OK, but please don't do anything for me, my happiness never depends on outside circumstances. Why not do it purely because it's the correct use of English? See how you've turned a helpful hint, a friendly gift into a judgement call?

i am not the one judging eddy.that is what i say when i see people judging:Forgive them Father ' cause they know not what they have done.

Last word!!!!!!

Congrats, Fairy,...but what did you win????? Hmmmm....LOL Jai

I did that in jest and as a test.

well jai it seams she won the last word contest that she add in her lets clap for fairy princess. clap clap clap. and now can we be positive? or do you have other things to pin on me? that are really in you. so that you can remove that from you using your free will. and move on with those barrier remove for good.

thank you jai but i have not fought only talked. peace and love jai

Jesus said: The images are manifest to man and the Light which is within them is hidden in the Image of the Light of the Father. He will manifest himself and His Image is concealed by His Light. But now i say to you: read what you just wrote because your light that is with in has been reveal to you in truth.

@white tiger Well put and an excellent answer. Thank you for your compliments!

well thank you dollar bill to have think that it was a compliment. but it was not about boosting your ego at all. it was for you to see the truth about what you said about your self in the judgement that you made. the difference between you and me is that i do not judge you but i know you. i know what you hide to your self. so re- read what you have wrote and you will see it. if you have eyes to see and ears to hears. it is all about you.

yes maybe you do not care. your choice not mine.

@white tiger - you say "the difference between you and me is that i do not judge you but i know you." How, exactly, do you know me?

You also say, "i know what you hide to your self." Do you? How do you know what I hide from myself?

You also affirm, "so re- read what you have wrote[sic] and you will see it. if you have eyes to see and ears to hears[sic]." To what do you refer?

You say, "it is all about you." In that, I completely agree.

look at the movie i have put to help you out. when you stand in front of me with your fear.and expect me to fear do i not know where you are. it is the same with judgement. when you judge some one or attribute something that you do not like in you on them and it is not true. then the person know where you stand.

yes i am serious fairy princess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe_5evtuwc i accept the way of other but respect first my own!

that you must first respect your own way then the way of other.

fairy princess who is insisting and trap in that contend mode? i do not contend with you so why do you contend with me? seek harmony fairy princess i respect you and so should you but do as you like. the choice is your.

An excellent and very unusual answer Fairy Princess :)

I do seek harmony. Why did you ask this question if you were going to argue with my answer? What is the point? I tried to give you a picture of how I feel when I read your posts. You asked. I have kept quiet until you asked.

I am not contending with you White Tiger, I am answering your question.

well it is writen respect first your own and you exclude that word.(first) to try to say that other way are as important as your own. if someone is wrong in is way. your way is better then is.example your way could be to help other and seek harmony but someone else way might be to crush opposition by contending with them and using intimidation or injustice. that is why the word first as is importance.will you be able to live with that if you let atrocity happen because you must respect other way on the same footing as your own.

White Tiger, I am so sad to report this: You are becoming a computer "Troll". What is that? Here's the definition:troll(1) To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or a blog in order to bait other users into responding. (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/T/troll.html) I am very sad that you are not seeing what you are doing.

White Tiger, what is your point? You asked a question and I dared to answer and now you are arguing with me or something. I am not even sure what your point is. I am not sure you do either. I will go back to not answering your questions and not reading your answers. I really don't want to know what you have to say. You are not in a place I want to be and I will not let you bring me down to your level.

At first, I let you bother me. I was going to stop visiting this site to avoid your obnoxiousness that I try to avoid in the real world. Then I realized that I can just not read your posts. I thought you were sincere when I answered this or I would have just ignored it too. God bless you, White Tiger. I hope you find peace.

its not down its up fairy princess. but see it as you like it is your choice you have free will.i am the mirroir of you what you don't like in me is in you. that is what you don't get. there is nothing to escape but your own choice. i am in peace with my self i hope people can be in peace with them self so harmony can exist. it is my choice to not have those sin and judgement that people see in them self when they interract with me. and i do not have to accept people sin and judgement and go down to that level.thank you for answering but seing me as ennemy or troll will not help you at all.

even if you put me on a cross and kill me it will not save you. if i where you i would not do those things. you have free will use it wisely.

Seriously though, if you are my mirror, then what I will work on is not arguing with people when they answer my questions, not having to have the last word, thinking I have all the answers, I will remember that others might have something for me to learn, I will work on making my words clear so that other people don't misunderstand what I am saying, I will try to be more sensitive to other people's views, I will remember that I am not God or Jesus but a human, I will try to not talk down to people, I will try to not force my ideas on others, but wait for them to ask me, I will try to be humble

Fairy Princess this is the same enlightenment that came to me, wow when we can be pushed or see others pushed to the point of anger to see ourselves that we may not be as patient as we may like to believe. This is a wonderful moment of awakening of not how is someone else being but how am I responding? :-)

yes do that fairy princess it will be good for you because none of that is me. and i know you do not belief that. in truth i tell you you will ear me both often you will not understand. eventually you will get it good luck. peace and love seek harmony.

So you are saying that I am lying or not being honest or not telling the truth? No, I tell you how I see you. If I am wrong, then you need to communicate what you mean. Many of your comments make you sound like you think you are like Jesus and need to save us. I realize I am not perfect and have some growth to do myself, but you asked if we understand you and I am telling you how I see you. You asked for a mirror, so I am giving you one. You don't like what you see, so you blame me and put it all on me and say that since I am telling you what I see in you, that it is what I see in me.

Often what bothers us about others is something that we hold or do ourselves. But you asked us a question and I answered you. You then put it all back on me. Was your point of the question to put it all back on us? It seems more like that to me, than an intention of understanding how we see you.

i have told you where you are wrong on what you perceive of me and those things are in you counscientely or subcounscienly. no one is perfect in this world but we can try to achive it as much as we can.i do not blame you the only person seing it that way is you. see it as a gift to better yourself it should change your perspective.no the point of the question was to see your level of understanding me. i have accept the language error and your point of view on this. what you see as arguement i see as sharing and cummunication. as for the last word judgement and blame i told you those things

are not in me. i seek harmony and not to contend. but how can we achive that if people contend? and do not see or accept where they are wrong. and yes i have know that some would use that question to push some of those things in them on me.because of things they do not understand. it was not a trap but it was to come.

Thank you for taking the excamation points out. I appreciate that. I don't understand the point that you are trying to make. You asked me a question and I answered you. You are arguing with me about something and I am not sure what. I told you how I see you based on your posts. Now you are putting it back on me, except the excamation points. I don't know what you want. I am communicating to you that you sound like you arguing with me and I don't know what about or what your point is except to put your reflection on me. So, if I an not correct, I could use explanation, but repeating the same

things I don't understand won't give new light. If you want me to understand you, you need to communicate so that I can. Arguing with you is not why I come to this site.

ok i will tell you again you think i blame you but you blame yourself. you think i argue but i share and communicate with you. you think i want to have the last word and want to win. but no that is not in me. so all those things you see and me and they are not in me where do you think they really are? meditate on that eventually you will understand. that is my point. we are each at different level so i do not blame you eventually you will understand and grow. well good luck peace and love do not contend seek harmony.

So it was bait.

no it was not fairy princess and i have told you. the only person who bait you is you. i told you yes i have know that some might do that. but it was not what i was expecting or wanting. can you understand that some people see and know stuff that other don't know? even stuff that are in other people and even when they don't know it is there. like i said it came from you and not from me. ask your self this why can't i accept this?

Why can't you accept my answer to your question? Lucer was the one who reflected God's image back to Him and became proud and cast out.

fairy princesse i all gave you one point for your answer even if there is something you are wrong on it. and what you are wrong on we have talk about it even if at your level you see it as arguing. you see things in life as 2 choice i see it in multiple choice. i understand duality but i am over it. you asked me in your answer on 2 choice that are from you. the second answer is better but still there are some stuff wrong like argue is talking. you are scare not me. you are hesitant. i all ready ask for clarification in talk. and i all ready think about what they are saying. but you do not see

that. and you doubt that i am serious. are you doubthing on yourself that you are not serious enuff? hesitant is also from doubt. afraid and scare comes 2 time also that is from you. you also called me arrogant and obnoxious. that is not in me so it is from you. those are all things you need to work on am i mistaking?

What do you want from me, White Tiger? You asked a question, I answered, then you put it back on me and argued with me about the truth of my answer and now you are arguing with me that you are not arguing with me. What do you want from me?

i want harmony from you. stop judging and look in yourself. i know you can achive that if you trully want to. but it is your free will you do what you want with it. well good luck.

Why did you ask this question, if you don't want answers?

again that is from you. i told you i wanted answer how you understand me. now because what i say touch stuff that is in you, you say to me: why did you ask question, if you don't want answer? if you ask that question is maybe because you do not want to see what is in you? well fairy princess are you still stuck on the last word contest that you have set up for you? or are you ready to do something more positive?

Yes, you are mistaken. An exclamation point (!!!) is for excitement or exclaming!!!! A period(....)is for ordinary statements. When you use an exclamation point, you are "talking very fast and excitedly". When you use a period, you are speaking calmly. Now...I told you to go meditate and you are NOT doing that! Why not??? This is NOT a social society. Please honor the site, and go to sleep now.I am really trying to be patient. If you go on any more, you may get a reputation here you may not like. PLease. Listen to me. Jai

Thank you very much White Tiger I like this answer and you get a plus one from me for it, but as for punctuation Jai would be better to help you with it than I would. Consider using periods more and people wont feel you are yelling so much, but I do like the excited happy comment. Yes agree with the Yin/Yang answer. I am going to bed have a good night.

good night wade! good night jai! and jai as for my reputation and what people think about me i do not care if they judge me badly it is there problem not mine! if you think i have not been judge badly in my life by people that are ignorant and that i have save there skin many time and they are to ignorant to know this so no problem many will have gnashing of teeth!

White Tiger I noticed you say good night to us with exclamation points, do you mean you are happy we are going to bed like Good I don't have to argue with them anymore? Or did you mean that nice, because this entire thing after the good nights including the good nights looks like you are yelling at us.

I know this is a difficult thing with the English language, If I say "Good night, White Tiger!" it might implying that I am glad you are going away from me. Now if I say "Good night, White Tiger." This seems more to imply friendship and care that your friend actually does have a good night.

it is always nice wade when i say something i mean it! i do not talk with people often i am more the silent type that observe.and i seek harmony so i try to not talk to people when i know it will not work when people will not understand or agree.i guess you did not know that of me?

Thank you White Tiger, I have decided to treat your exclamation points as if you were using periods from now on so that I do not feel you are shouting at me anymore. With this ignoring of the exclamation points I feel we can enjoy talking without me feeling you are mad at me. I hope everyone else will too and we can then all get along well.

"often i am more the silent type that observe.and i seek harmony"...White Tiger, I give up...I truly do...I cannot believe you wrote that! You are FAR from SILENT!!!!!>>>>>>>>>

I formally want to complain that we cannot use italics and bold in our comments....exclamation points just aren't working for me anymore...

yes i agree wade. well jai i might not talk with people when i am silent but i talk with someone and i think you know who.

you might not understand my last comment but if you make a false wrong to make people keep the peace. they might judge you but that was the only way to make them come at peace with each other. then they judge you but you have saved every one of them. Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.