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Am I hard to fathom? Sometimes I feel like people do not understand me, nor what I say, nor what I mean! Am I so hard to grasp? update: for all of you that have problem with me because of stuff in you listen to this video and learn from it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh7WxiUqIUc if you still do not see it read your post again. you will probably see some though and words come back. then you will know where it comes from.
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The intent behind a lot of your postings seems to be about teaching others what you already know, so let me share with you my point of view on this, even if you don't like it :) If you genuinely want to be of service to others with sharing information that you feel will be useful to them, but they don't understand you... ...then it is your problem, not theirsThat's the price you pay for wanting to teach another person because they are giving you a gift in allowing you to do so. If someone else you are trying to teach doesn't understand you, you must make yourself more understandable. If you are going to play the role of teacher...
It sounds unfair - and it is. But that's the game of "teacher and student" - and we each play one role or the other at different times. If the role of teacher seems like too much effort, try playing the other role of student for a while. And then when you go back to playing teacher, you may become a more valuable one. A teacher that doesn't connect with their students is not a teacher...just a preacher :) Just some friendly thoughts :)
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yes you are right stingray but what if the student decide to not understand is not by being the example that the student will remember it when he will be able to accept to understand! to push when one is not ready to receive is not solving the problem but just creating more!
(26 Jun '11, 15:49)
white tiger
look at jesus he gave a message and he set example! many did not grasp is message or is example but even today he is remember! did he figth to make the student understand? nope he did what he add to do and he left the choice to them!
(26 Jun '11, 15:54)
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If someone asks for help or advice, you give it as best as you can that matches their question - not the best that you can that matches your answer. So sometimes you can't speak the whole message because the other person is not asking for it or is not ready to hear it. If someone is not asking for what you want to give them, don't give anything. I come from a Muslim background (though I'm not religious) so I don't know that much about Jesus and am not that interested either. But I do know that the truly great spiritual teachers don't give answers that are not asked for.
(26 Jun '11, 18:30)
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But, yes, you're right... "setting an example" is a great way to teach others without fighting with them - and I personally think it is the best way, and the way I always recommend to others who ask me ( http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/11793/how-to-resist-negative-energy-incorporate-positive-in-another/11863#11863 ) . But there is a small problem with it. And that is you then need to make yourself a person that sets an example that others think is worth following, and that is not as easy as it sounds :)
(26 Jun '11, 18:40)
Stingray
no it is not as easy as it sounds because what they think is worth it and what is worth it is not always the same but this they will realize when the time comes.
(26 Jun '11, 23:45)
white tiger
that is why it is not my problem it is solve for me and it will for them when they decide to cross that bridge.
(03 Jul '11, 14:39)
white tiger
everythings works both way (respect sharing responsability etc.). Stingray.
(29 Aug '11, 04:33)
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@stingray - Reminds me of a beaten up boy scout coming home. His mother asked him what happened? He replied, "I was helping an old lady cross the street." The mother asked, "What was wrong with that?" The boy scout replied, "She didn't want to cross the street but I was trying to make her do it anyway!"
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Actually white tiger I think you're pretty much an open book and easy to understand. I think, reading from the answers above, that most people here have a good grasp on who you are. My next statement is a bit of a bold one and I'd like you to just sit with it for a while before you react or respond...I think possibly you are the one who doesn't fathom or understand yourself... if you did you wouldn't need to be right. Our own self deception is the trickiest ploy on this journey. Maybe it's time to remove the veil for yourself and consider another possibility... then again maybe you're just not ready yet??
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michaela if i tell you they are all remove and that is the only way to go to god mahasamadhi! i do not say i know all but i know what i know. i do not care about being right or wrong i am over that. i understand my self and i understand other. i do not have to always agree with other people choice. like i do not have to not always agree with other people choice. i seek harmony but how many seek that? would people judge and make bad choice if they seek harmony?
(26 Jun '11, 14:03)
white tiger
Oh white tiger... I assure you that if they were all removed, you wouldn't feel any need at all to try to prove your point. You would in fact be able to reside in that 'knowing' without feeling you have to Prove it to others.No you do not have to "agree" with other people but someone who is 'awake' knows enough to 'respect' other people's opinions. I think deep down everyone seeks 'harmony', and maybe just ask yourself "who is judging?"... if you can be completely honest with yourself, you just might be surprised with the answer.If you can't I've probably just wasted my time saying anything:)
(26 Jun '11, 16:20)
Michaela
no i do not ask my self who is judging! i know so is the father!
(26 Jun '11, 17:51)
white tiger
michaela i do not need to prove anny thing. the only person that think i need to prove something is you ask yourself this why do i need for him to prove something to me? and yes i hope every one seek harmony!
(26 Jun '11, 17:56)
white tiger
in which direction a fire go when it as gone out?
(26 Jun '11, 18:10)
white tiger
@white tiger... I don't think you got what I was trying to say, maybe the language barrier or maybe you just can't hear me. Maybe just ask yourself why you asked your original question or maybe not. It's all good :)
(26 Jun '11, 18:53)
Michaela
yes i have got it did you get what i was saying?
(26 Jun '11, 22:30)
white tiger
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Not sure you have but that's ok... I really do feel your intent is genuine. Maybe just try using a little more care with your wording and intonation as some of your posts tend to irk some. However,in saying that, we should all be 'aware' enough here not to take it personal. And yes white tiger I did "get" what you were saying although I may not necessarily agree with it. Have a good evening :)
(27 Jun '11, 00:41)
Michaela
Well done Michaela, I suspected you would answer because I know you've seen what I've seen. Challenges come in all kinds of ways thru all kinds of people. Maybe we manifested this challenge to test our own state of being to see if its foundation is truly solid :)
(27 Jun '11, 01:11)
Eddie
@Eddie, thanks...glad you got what I was trying to convey.Yeah... I'm on a roll manifesting challenges for myself right now, if I can move through the others as easily as this, I'll be doing well :)
(27 Jun '11, 01:50)
Michaela
have a good evening michaela. peace and love do not contend seek harmony.
(27 Jun '11, 03:12)
white tiger
challenge comes in many way and form eddy it is part of the evolution process. peace and love eddy do not contend seek harmony.
(27 Jun '11, 03:14)
white tiger
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Hiya, Tiger. Yes, sometimes you are hard to understand, but I know that English is NOT your first language, so I try very hard TO understand you! For example, I know that you do not say the "h" in "has" so you tend to write "as"...but I " 'ave learned to compensate"...LOL! I have noticed that you are sooooooo eager, and sooooo desperate for answers that some of us perhaps mistake that eagerness for "over-doing it a bit". Well, maybe more than a bit...truthfully, I think some of the people here may be thinking that you are not for real. But I know that isn't true. I have noticed that you have been sort of "following" me around, and that I do not mind at all. Maybe what you should do is try a new path...one that is ALL YOU, that is ALL your own! What do you want to get from Inward Quest? Do you want attention, points, or the truth to the mysteries of inner life? And another question: Why do you argue so much? One thing we try to do here is to honor the beliefs of each person...some of us are Christian...some of us believe God is Within...some of us are Buddhist, or Agnostic...and perhaps you could back off from arguing with these people when their ideas don't mesh with yours. What we love is a blend of ideas that approach the "Truth", whatever that may be. Try to blend in without trying to persuade all of us to believe what you yourself believe to be true. Just state your truth, and be done with the question. Then you will see how you will become one member of a Great Group, instead of someone who sometimes acts a bit like a little kid who keeps asking "Why?" and when Mom says, "Because,", repeats, "Why?" I love you, and really want to see you grow!!! More than anything, that would make me very happy- or, as you would say, "Tres heureuse!" Bonsoir, et Je t'aime, Jaianniah UPDATE: 21 hours later....White Tiger, I have to say, with all due respect, and considering how hard you have fought to defend yourself the last day (despite your asking for our opinions), that you are terribly hard to fathom. I give up. I surrender....Jai yes jai i know that my english is not 100%!like i said i have come to share some light! i do not know all! but what i know i know! has for why i argue so much is because i don't believe i experiance! from my experiance i can tell what is and what is not! how many have experiance talk with god? or how many have experiance what is after you leave the body? how many have meditate to that point? for me experiance is better then only belief! i respect other people point of view or belief! but if someone is wrong on something to clarify sometime helps! and look at wade yesterday!
(26 Jun '11, 05:59)
white tiger
wade at first was thinking i was kicking someone that was down! and after ward he understood i was doing what was needed telling the truth about the matter and encourage him to do the right decision to solve the problem and achive that trial! if i ask why it is because i do not understand something or the point of view of someone! adult ask why also not only children! but i love you also have a good night!
(26 Jun '11, 06:09)
white tiger
Yes, you ARGUED with Wade for hours, WT!!! That is my point!!!!! Some people find that just a teensy-weensy bit upsetting....You need to realize that you are pushing our patience a bit here!!! Like I said, we DO respect you, BUT--- others here have ALSO chatted with Higher Beings and seen the stars and so on...You need to learn when to back off and say, "Okay, I guess we will agree to disagree..." By the way, Wade finally DID see your point, but look at all the dialogue and drama that went on to get there??? Is that the behavior of a peaceful, serene Higher Human????see more below...
(26 Jun '11, 06:10)
Jaianniah
You are carrying on RIGHT NOW!!!! It's WAAAAAAAY past bedtime!!! Can't you just say, in a wee little voice of humbleness, "Oui, Jaianniah, maybe you 'ave a point???" and let it go? Why must you win every argument? Now, go somewhere quiet and think. I love you. Jai
(26 Jun '11, 06:13)
Jaianniah
well for me it is not about winning i am pass that point but you don't see that!
(26 Jun '11, 06:16)
white tiger
well i have lots of patience so i will try to send you some!
(26 Jun '11, 06:18)
white tiger
Thanks Jai. Your keen observations, compassion and use of English are second to none! A few of us have offered subtle suggestions to our friend, but when someone insists on always having the final word their state of being is evident and there's no point in perpetuating that...
(26 Jun '11, 06:19)
Eddie
and there was no drama with wade it was the truth! like it or not!
(26 Jun '11, 06:19)
white tiger
Monsieur!!! What??? I am being VERY patient. Like I said, Go sit somewhere and think about this VERY hard. <yawn> I will not argue anymore. Please go to bed....and meditate on the virtue of not always having to have the last word....Nighty-Night. Jai
(26 Jun '11, 06:22)
Jaianniah
well eddy just by what you have write there i see that you do not understand me! has for my state of being at your place i would not judge that!
(26 Jun '11, 06:25)
white tiger
@wt - if I may suggest, in the English language we don't use exclamation marks (!) anywhere near as often as you do. They are normally used when we really feel strongly about something, thus overusing them as you do, kind of makes them lose their power and effectiveness. Maybe relaxing your use of them will achieve better results...
(26 Jun '11, 06:26)
Eddie
@wt - correct, if you were at my place you would not judge because you would have seen the futility of that.
(26 Jun '11, 06:32)
Eddie
BTW, Eddie, Thank You for your help with WT...I am very grateful for your flattering compliments about my use of English. I just wished that it would always work...<sigh> Communication is a High Priority for me....LOL! Jai
(26 Jun '11, 06:39)
Jaianniah
well eddy thank you i will try to use them less often to make you happy. and yes i would not judge because you will be judge with the same mesure!
(26 Jun '11, 06:55)
white tiger
OK, but please don't do anything for me, my happiness never depends on outside circumstances. Why not do it purely because it's the correct use of English? See how you've turned a helpful hint, a friendly gift into a judgement call?
(26 Jun '11, 10:14)
Eddie
i am not the one judging eddy.that is what i say when i see people judging:Forgive them Father ' cause they know not what they have done.
(26 Jun '11, 22:36)
white tiger
Last word!!!!!!
(27 Jun '11, 20:16)
Fairy Princess
Congrats, Fairy,...but what did you win????? Hmmmm....LOL Jai
(28 Jun '11, 01:49)
Jaianniah
I did that in jest and as a test.
(28 Jun '11, 03:42)
Fairy Princess
well jai it seams she won the last word contest that she add in her lets clap for fairy princess. clap clap clap. and now can we be positive? or do you have other things to pin on me? that are really in you. so that you can remove that from you using your free will. and move on with those barrier remove for good.
(28 Jun '11, 03:47)
white tiger
thank you jai but i have not fought only talked. peace and love jai
(28 Jun '11, 20:46)
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Hard to fathom? Thank you for asking this question. Not really. We all have different truths. All are valid. I have no right to judge your truth and you have no right to judge mine, but I really do not care. I care more about what I think about you than what you think about me. I do not condemn you. If you feel people judge you, it may be because you judge others. If you feel mocked, it is because you mock. If you feel misunderstood, it may be because you misunderstand. As Stingray beautifully put it, "A teacher that doesn't connect with their students is not a teacher...just a preacher :)" But a teacher who blames students for not understanding . . . . . ? I sincerely wish you peace, love, acceptance and understanding. well dollar bill now you are ready to go look at wade question. and know this all you just said here was about you.
(20 Mar '12, 05:28)
white tiger
on the last day it is going to be the same.
(20 Mar '12, 05:29)
white tiger
Jesus said: The images are manifest to man and the Light which is within them is hidden in the Image of the Light of the Father. He will manifest himself and His Image is concealed by His Light. But now i say to you: read what you just wrote because your light that is with in has been reveal to you in truth.
(20 Mar '12, 05:59)
white tiger
@white tiger Well put and an excellent answer. Thank you for your compliments!
(20 Mar '12, 08:40)
Dollar Bill
well thank you dollar bill to have think that it was a compliment. but it was not about boosting your ego at all. it was for you to see the truth about what you said about your self in the judgement that you made. the difference between you and me is that i do not judge you but i know you. i know what you hide to your self. so re- read what you have wrote and you will see it. if you have eyes to see and ears to hears. it is all about you.
(22 Mar '12, 13:39)
white tiger
yes maybe you do not care. your choice not mine.
(22 Mar '12, 13:41)
white tiger
@white tiger - you say "the difference between you and me is that i do not judge you but i know you." How, exactly, do you know me? You also say, "i know what you hide to your self." Do you? How do you know what I hide from myself? You also affirm, "so re- read what you have wrote[sic] and you will see it. if you have eyes to see and ears to hears[sic]." To what do you refer? You say, "it is all about you." In that, I completely agree.
(29 Mar '12, 14:50)
Dollar Bill
look at the movie i have put to help you out. when you stand in front of me with your fear.and expect me to fear do i not know where you are. it is the same with judgement. when you judge some one or attribute something that you do not like in you on them and it is not true. then the person know where you stand.
(29 Mar '12, 15:10)
white tiger
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People won't hear what you have to say, if they feel they are being yelled at, ridiculed, etc... Exclamation points are for the rare occassion of yelling or being very excited. If all or most of your sentences end in them, they lose their meaning and it just looks like you are yelling at everyone. Notice all the periods in this post. Not one exclamation point yet. The words you choose are important too. Not just each word, but they way you use them. I will give you two examples below of how what you say matters. We are using the computer to communicate. That means that we are trying to get what we are thinking into the minds of others for their consideration. Have you heard the story of the elephant? There were some people and they were brought to a place. They were blindfolded and placed by an elephant. They were instructed to feel around and decide what was in front of them. One felt a leg and said it was a tree. One felt the side and said it was a building. One felt the tail and said it was a light switch. (I don't really know how it goes) Anyway, they could only describe what they experienced. If they realized at some point it was all one thing, they could probably figure it out if they shared thier experiences, but as long as they held to their truth being the whole picture, they could not know what it is. So, here are a couple of examples of how I could communicate an answer to you. You tell me which one resonates with you and how they both make you feel. White Tiger, you are so full of yourself! All you ever do is argue with everybody and yell at us! You think you know everything! Sometimes I don't even read your answers because it's just a bunch of hot air! I don't answer your questions because you'll just argue with me and tell me I am wrong and insult and criticize me. If you don't want my answer, then don't ask!!!!!! You are not the only one here! You are ruining our site with your ignorant questions and your argumentative ways!!!! You need to get your head out of ... a hole and wake up and realize that we are serious here and you are treating it like a game!!!! Grow up already and stop acting like a baby!!!!! OR White Tiger, I am glad you asked, it shows that you are trying to learn and grow. I can appreciate your sense of knowing. We all get that here, and we share our experiences so that we can help each other see the big picture. (the elephant) You are right then, I don't get you. I thought you were coming off as arrogant and argumentative, but this question helps me to see that you just really are having language barriers. However, arguing with people's answers isn't a language barrier. If you don't understand somebody, maybe if you ask them to explain, you will have better results than arguing with them. Sometimes I want to answer one of your questions, but am hesitant because I am afraid of the arguments that would await me. Instead of arguing with everyone, you could think about what they are saying, sleep on it and maybe ask for clarification the next day. Thank you for asking. I hope you are serious about this question and serious about the answers. Love and blessings to you.
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yes i am serious fairy princess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe_5evtuwc i accept the way of other but respect first my own!
(26 Jun '11, 14:16)
white tiger
respect first your own doesn't mean insist others see it your way, then accept their way. It means that you must respect your own way and also accept that others have a different way.
(26 Jun '11, 18:50)
Fairy Princess
that you must first respect your own way then the way of other.
(26 Jun '11, 22:02)
white tiger
fairy princess who is insisting and trap in that contend mode? i do not contend with you so why do you contend with me? seek harmony fairy princess i respect you and so should you but do as you like. the choice is your.
(27 Jun '11, 03:29)
white tiger
An excellent and very unusual answer Fairy Princess :)
(27 Jun '11, 04:25)
Eddie
I do seek harmony. Why did you ask this question if you were going to argue with my answer? What is the point? I tried to give you a picture of how I feel when I read your posts. You asked. I have kept quiet until you asked.
(27 Jun '11, 06:11)
Fairy Princess
I am not contending with you White Tiger, I am answering your question.
(27 Jun '11, 14:15)
Fairy Princess
well it is writen respect first your own and you exclude that word.(first) to try to say that other way are as important as your own. if someone is wrong in is way. your way is better then is.example your way could be to help other and seek harmony but someone else way might be to crush opposition by contending with them and using intimidation or injustice. that is why the word first as is importance.will you be able to live with that if you let atrocity happen because you must respect other way on the same footing as your own.
(27 Jun '11, 16:04)
white tiger
White Tiger, I am so sad to report this: You are becoming a computer "Troll". What is that? Here's the definition:troll(1) To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or a blog in order to bait other users into responding. (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/T/troll.html) I am very sad that you are not seeing what you are doing.
(27 Jun '11, 17:03)
Jaianniah
White Tiger, what is your point? You asked a question and I dared to answer and now you are arguing with me or something. I am not even sure what your point is. I am not sure you do either. I will go back to not answering your questions and not reading your answers. I really don't want to know what you have to say. You are not in a place I want to be and I will not let you bring me down to your level.
(27 Jun '11, 18:11)
Fairy Princess
At first, I let you bother me. I was going to stop visiting this site to avoid your obnoxiousness that I try to avoid in the real world. Then I realized that I can just not read your posts. I thought you were sincere when I answered this or I would have just ignored it too. God bless you, White Tiger. I hope you find peace.
(27 Jun '11, 18:15)
Fairy Princess
its not down its up fairy princess. but see it as you like it is your choice you have free will.i am the mirroir of you what you don't like in me is in you. that is what you don't get. there is nothing to escape but your own choice. i am in peace with my self i hope people can be in peace with them self so harmony can exist. it is my choice to not have those sin and judgement that people see in them self when they interract with me. and i do not have to accept people sin and judgement and go down to that level.thank you for answering but seing me as ennemy or troll will not help you at all.
(27 Jun '11, 18:49)
white tiger
even if you put me on a cross and kill me it will not save you. if i where you i would not do those things. you have free will use it wisely.
(27 Jun '11, 18:55)
white tiger
Seriously though, if you are my mirror, then what I will work on is not arguing with people when they answer my questions, not having to have the last word, thinking I have all the answers, I will remember that others might have something for me to learn, I will work on making my words clear so that other people don't misunderstand what I am saying, I will try to be more sensitive to other people's views, I will remember that I am not God or Jesus but a human, I will try to not talk down to people, I will try to not force my ideas on others, but wait for them to ask me, I will try to be humble
(27 Jun '11, 20:12)
Fairy Princess
Fairy Princess this is the same enlightenment that came to me, wow when we can be pushed or see others pushed to the point of anger to see ourselves that we may not be as patient as we may like to believe. This is a wonderful moment of awakening of not how is someone else being but how am I responding? :-)
(28 Jun '11, 01:43)
Wade Casaldi
yes do that fairy princess it will be good for you because none of that is me. and i know you do not belief that. in truth i tell you you will ear me both often you will not understand. eventually you will get it good luck. peace and love seek harmony.
(28 Jun '11, 03:03)
white tiger
So you are saying that I am lying or not being honest or not telling the truth? No, I tell you how I see you. If I am wrong, then you need to communicate what you mean. Many of your comments make you sound like you think you are like Jesus and need to save us. I realize I am not perfect and have some growth to do myself, but you asked if we understand you and I am telling you how I see you. You asked for a mirror, so I am giving you one. You don't like what you see, so you blame me and put it all on me and say that since I am telling you what I see in you, that it is what I see in me.
(28 Jun '11, 04:27)
Fairy Princess
Often what bothers us about others is something that we hold or do ourselves. But you asked us a question and I answered you. You then put it all back on me. Was your point of the question to put it all back on us? It seems more like that to me, than an intention of understanding how we see you.
(28 Jun '11, 04:30)
Fairy Princess
i have told you where you are wrong on what you perceive of me and those things are in you counscientely or subcounscienly. no one is perfect in this world but we can try to achive it as much as we can.i do not blame you the only person seing it that way is you. see it as a gift to better yourself it should change your perspective.no the point of the question was to see your level of understanding me. i have accept the language error and your point of view on this. what you see as arguement i see as sharing and cummunication. as for the last word judgement and blame i told you those things
(28 Jun '11, 05:26)
white tiger
are not in me. i seek harmony and not to contend. but how can we achive that if people contend? and do not see or accept where they are wrong. and yes i have know that some would use that question to push some of those things in them on me.because of things they do not understand. it was not a trap but it was to come.
(28 Jun '11, 05:32)
white tiger
Thank you for taking the excamation points out. I appreciate that. I don't understand the point that you are trying to make. You asked me a question and I answered you. You are arguing with me about something and I am not sure what. I told you how I see you based on your posts. Now you are putting it back on me, except the excamation points. I don't know what you want. I am communicating to you that you sound like you arguing with me and I don't know what about or what your point is except to put your reflection on me. So, if I an not correct, I could use explanation, but repeating the same
(28 Jun '11, 13:08)
Fairy Princess
things I don't understand won't give new light. If you want me to understand you, you need to communicate so that I can. Arguing with you is not why I come to this site.
(28 Jun '11, 13:09)
Fairy Princess
ok i will tell you again you think i blame you but you blame yourself. you think i argue but i share and communicate with you. you think i want to have the last word and want to win. but no that is not in me. so all those things you see and me and they are not in me where do you think they really are? meditate on that eventually you will understand. that is my point. we are each at different level so i do not blame you eventually you will understand and grow. well good luck peace and love do not contend seek harmony.
(28 Jun '11, 19:08)
white tiger
So it was bait.
(28 Jun '11, 23:34)
Fairy Princess
no it was not fairy princess and i have told you. the only person who bait you is you. i told you yes i have know that some might do that. but it was not what i was expecting or wanting. can you understand that some people see and know stuff that other don't know? even stuff that are in other people and even when they don't know it is there. like i said it came from you and not from me. ask your self this why can't i accept this?
(29 Jun '11, 02:18)
white tiger
Why can't you accept my answer to your question? Lucer was the one who reflected God's image back to Him and became proud and cast out.
(29 Jun '11, 12:42)
Fairy Princess
fairy princesse i all gave you one point for your answer even if there is something you are wrong on it. and what you are wrong on we have talk about it even if at your level you see it as arguing. you see things in life as 2 choice i see it in multiple choice. i understand duality but i am over it. you asked me in your answer on 2 choice that are from you. the second answer is better but still there are some stuff wrong like argue is talking. you are scare not me. you are hesitant. i all ready ask for clarification in talk. and i all ready think about what they are saying. but you do not see
(30 Jun '11, 02:40)
white tiger
that. and you doubt that i am serious. are you doubthing on yourself that you are not serious enuff? hesitant is also from doubt. afraid and scare comes 2 time also that is from you. you also called me arrogant and obnoxious. that is not in me so it is from you. those are all things you need to work on am i mistaking?
(30 Jun '11, 02:53)
white tiger
What do you want from me, White Tiger? You asked a question, I answered, then you put it back on me and argued with me about the truth of my answer and now you are arguing with me that you are not arguing with me. What do you want from me?
(30 Jun '11, 13:04)
Fairy Princess
i want harmony from you. stop judging and look in yourself. i know you can achive that if you trully want to. but it is your free will you do what you want with it. well good luck.
(30 Jun '11, 16:48)
white tiger
Why did you ask this question, if you don't want answers?
(30 Jun '11, 17:59)
Fairy Princess
again that is from you. i told you i wanted answer how you understand me. now because what i say touch stuff that is in you, you say to me: why did you ask question, if you don't want answer? if you ask that question is maybe because you do not want to see what is in you? well fairy princess are you still stuck on the last word contest that you have set up for you? or are you ready to do something more positive?
(30 Jun '11, 18:37)
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White Tiger, I have noticed huge improvements in your communication! You are not so hard to fathom any more. Thank you for asking this and then actually applying what you learned. I too have learned some things about myself. So thank you for asking this question. I know we had some struggles at first, but I think it has paid off for a better interaction here. Blessings,
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well fairy princesse it seams that you are ready to do something more positive? experience and enjoy.
(23 Aug '11, 22:48)
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White Tiger, you answer everyone with mostly exclamation points, this says you are either excited over everything or angry. I do notice that you do like argue with me a lot even when we agree it seems but use different wording or perspective. But I do agree when you did clarify yesterday I could see where you were coming from in your answer, it did take a lot to get there to that point though. I think this could be because English is your second language that it takes a while to clarify. I think the goal of clarifying should be prominent in all of our minds rather than giving reasons for why we are right and others are wrong. It is a more peaceable approach and brings better results to bring clarity. I do like and have given you points many times for some of your answers here. well exclamation point is when you are saying something is it not? normal point is when you are not talking but just writing sentence or am i mistaking? yes wade i do like to talk and share knowledge with you alot! yes clarify is alot better then right or wrong to clarify does not mean someone is right or wrong! example: you can have 2 people arguing over something and they both are right in what they say and you could clarify to tell them what they are missing and is causing that arguement!example yin yang one could see only the white and the other only the black and you seing both unite it!
(26 Jun '11, 06:44)
white tiger
yes i am a little excited and happy! i am not angry! if i am i will tell you! thank you wade for sharing your light!
(26 Jun '11, 06:50)
white tiger
Yes, you are mistaken. An exclamation point (!!!) is for excitement or exclaming!!!! A period(....)is for ordinary statements. When you use an exclamation point, you are "talking very fast and excitedly". When you use a period, you are speaking calmly. Now...I told you to go meditate and you are NOT doing that! Why not??? This is NOT a social society. Please honor the site, and go to sleep now.I am really trying to be patient. If you go on any more, you may get a reputation here you may not like. PLease. Listen to me. Jai
(26 Jun '11, 06:53)
Jaianniah
Thank you very much White Tiger I like this answer and you get a plus one from me for it, but as for punctuation Jai would be better to help you with it than I would. Consider using periods more and people wont feel you are yelling so much, but I do like the excited happy comment. Yes agree with the Yin/Yang answer. I am going to bed have a good night.
(26 Jun '11, 06:55)
Wade Casaldi
good night wade! good night jai! and jai as for my reputation and what people think about me i do not care if they judge me badly it is there problem not mine! if you think i have not been judge badly in my life by people that are ignorant and that i have save there skin many time and they are to ignorant to know this so no problem many will have gnashing of teeth!
(26 Jun '11, 07:05)
white tiger
White Tiger I noticed you say good night to us with exclamation points, do you mean you are happy we are going to bed like Good I don't have to argue with them anymore? Or did you mean that nice, because this entire thing after the good nights including the good nights looks like you are yelling at us. I know this is a difficult thing with the English language, If I say "Good night, White Tiger!" it might implying that I am glad you are going away from me. Now if I say "Good night, White Tiger." This seems more to imply friendship and care that your friend actually does have a good night.
(26 Jun '11, 22:10)
Wade Casaldi
it is always nice wade when i say something i mean it! i do not talk with people often i am more the silent type that observe.and i seek harmony so i try to not talk to people when i know it will not work when people will not understand or agree.i guess you did not know that of me?
(26 Jun '11, 22:57)
white tiger
Thank you White Tiger, I have decided to treat your exclamation points as if you were using periods from now on so that I do not feel you are shouting at me anymore. With this ignoring of the exclamation points I feel we can enjoy talking without me feeling you are mad at me. I hope everyone else will too and we can then all get along well.
(27 Jun '11, 01:01)
Wade Casaldi
"often i am more the silent type that observe.and i seek harmony"...White Tiger, I give up...I truly do...I cannot believe you wrote that! You are FAR from SILENT!!!!!>>>>>>>>>
(27 Jun '11, 01:04)
Jaianniah
I formally want to complain that we cannot use italics and bold in our comments....exclamation points just aren't working for me anymore...
(27 Jun '11, 01:10)
Jaianniah
yes i agree wade. well jai i might not talk with people when i am silent but i talk with someone and i think you know who.
(27 Jun '11, 03:04)
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I understand you as much as you understand you. We are one. I enjoy reading your posts. Have a great day!
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you also michael.Quis ut Deus?, a Latin sentence meaning "Who is like God?", is a literal translation of the name Michael (Hebrew: מִיכָאֵל, transliterated Micha'el or Mîkhā'ēl).
(26 Jun '11, 21:58)
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God understands what you say, and what you mean, and he is the best judge of all! Personally, I believe our role here on Inward Quest is to support each other in a positive way. Sometimes even though our intention may be sincere, it may not come off that way to others, and of course it becomes a conflict of interest, nonetheless, it is human to err, and divine to forgive! We learn from the crying child things that are hard to understand, yet we understand, nonetheless, the things we do not understand. So it is important to stop, and listen, and take heed to the known, and unknown, for all are right, and all are wrong, for two wrongs do not make a right, or we stand condemned! Love yourself, love others, and feel the energy of love in your heart night, and day, and love will make you right in every way. There is only one of you, and one of me, but together we are all one and the same, even in our imperfections!
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yes i agree vee god understand. and i praise god for stopping the rain and giving sun for 3 hours today. he does listen.
(27 Jun '11, 02:58)
white tiger
i can also tell you that if you do a wrong for a wrong to make a right you will be condemned. but if you add no choice who is judging you. the one that you have just saved that judge you?
(23 Mar '12, 17:50)
white tiger
you might not understand my last comment but if you make a false wrong to make people keep the peace. they might judge you but that was the only way to make them come at peace with each other. then they judge you but you have saved every one of them. Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
(23 Mar '12, 17:57)
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Hi White tiger I have always felt that you are actually someone's alter ego that was created in order to have the opinions, or personality, that this particular someone didn't want to have. My inner sense has always had this opinion about you but I decided to play along without inquiring further into it. All the innocent hints that have been dropped along the way have only strengthened this opinion. Am I curious to know if I am right or wrong? Not at all. It's not my game. But I do trust my instincts. @The Traveler - my feeling exactly, if I may quote myself in my earlier answer to this question, "I wondered if he [white tiger] was a troll or perhaps one of the moderators testing us to see how we would respond to his truculent behavior." Not my game of right or wrong. Sometimes it is useful to have a gadfly! :) I want to see WT as Source sees him. With love and as a reflection of behavioral changes I need to make in mySelf. My 'judgement', my 'fear', my 'ignorance' is my own. WT is my mirror.
(26 Mar '12, 10:00)
Dollar Bill
did not want to have or did not want to see or hear? even if you hide under a mountain to hide your self from me i will find you. you can run but you can't hide. and it is not serving you in both ways. face the truth and the truth will set you free then you will stop running and hiding.
(27 Mar '12, 20:34)
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Hi White Tiger, In the beginning I strugled a bit but I understand you loud and clear now and enjoy your comments and answeres. You want to spred your message to the world and are very eager to do this. Sometimes you come across as too eager or too pushy but so what there is nothing bad in that. Personaly I think you a good teacher for are not all teachers demanding of their students? Most teachers sound zealous when trying to get their point across and you are no exception. It is your love of Jesus that makes you so eager to share his word to as many as will listen and and you get excited to do this. Your knowledge Of Jesus is amazing and I have learnd a lot more from You and Wade and Jai than anyone or anywhere else. Please dont stop for even Jesus himself said that the message is for those who have ears to hear and those that have eyes to see. Some have and some don't and that is their lot in life. You White Tiger are a true crusader for Christ and the world needs people like you in it. 1
i speak the truth.how i come across is not my problem at all."I am not a teacher. you say that Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended." but if you drink from my mouth you will become like me. i am in the father and the father is in me. there is light in a person of light and it shine on the whole world. when you will know the father by being pure of heart and be born again you also will be Christ.
(20 Mar '12, 07:08)
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White Tiger there is a saying that says "Never ask someone, 'What is wrong with me? or Why don't people like me? Why can't I meet the right person etc...' Because you will not like what you hear in reply."
thank you wade but i never said something was wrong with me even if alot of people have seen it that way. i asked if i was hard to fathom and you saw that by what people think and what i say that yes it seams that i am hard to fathom people attribute things of them self on me. and those things are not in me. it is like i am a big mirroir that every one look at them self in and people do not like what they see. but it is ok i am use to that.
maybe it is what it means to bear the cross in that way i can relate with jesus. know this this man did no wrong.
I agree White Tiger I had an enlightenment about this and self reflection but when I tried to make it a question to bring awareness it totally bombed out. :-(
We are all as you said mirrors and when we are willing to look at ourselves we can then be aware of ourselves and honest with ourselves to learn from.
i think wade people see in other things they did that was bad or in error in same situation and they invision that in other and it is really in them. because it is never in me. and i am not afraid to say it. so often people get mad for nothing because of them self and not because of other people. it as been a long while that i see that but there seams to be nothing to do about it. we have to wait for those people to see it and correct those false view that they try to put on other people.
Yes I tried very hard with my question to point this out but you are right until people are really ready to look at themselves they wont accept it.
Just read some of your old posts WT. Yes , ive got to admit you are hard to grasp. You appear to bat every answer back with a reply that in a way defends what you said earlier. You "seem" to have a small habit of over defending yourself, almost as if you inwardly sense that your being metaphorically attacked and feel a need to react. Do you often feel miunderstood?
i could stay silent but how is that going to help you? or is it what you do not want to see that trouble you? am i misunderstood? as for habit: The habit does not make a monk. or if you prefer:Clothes do not make the man."
I think that you are an alter ego for someone else who doesn't want to have the opinions that you do.
who is having opinions? are those opinions true or false? or what are the truth to those opinions? "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like." but i will say this the traveller i liked this "i think" meaning it is in your head your though about this. i am intitle to my opinion and so are they. but i stay in the truth and i do not judge. so if someone try to attribute something false to me. where does it come from?
@The Traveller - have you read "Screwtape Letters" by CS Lewis? He wrote it from his alter ego standpoint. I think that you are right. There is much more to white tiger than meets the eye. Fascinating.