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For example Mooji: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_D1owjZAvQ he said that he does not enjoy is existence and need to find is way out. If a blind guide a blind both will fall in to a pit. Does he not know the flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit. No one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and spirit. Mooji you are only beginning to touch the water in your meditation. What you deny the spirit the I am that you are is what is missing for you to go above. you are denying your self and other existence then how can you experience true life if you made the choice to not exist? Mooji you need more sat sang with your self to be able to walk on your own water for the moment there is still some ripple at the surface. and yes you said before enlightenment is not for me another thing that you deny to your self. How can you guide other if you cannot be a light for yourself and other? Did I tell you the truth? I am the way the truth and the life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxaC_pgWtCk There is no problem if someone is telling the truth about what they know but when they start to tell other about stuff they do not know and change things in joke so that it does not show they are not doing them self and other a good service since they lie to other to show that they are able to answer even on stuff they do not know about. then what they have answer that was in error become accepted by some then the error is not only on the one that did it but on every one else that followed it. are they doing it for desire of the ego (money, popularity, power, etc...)? I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
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The people try to gain confidence of other people around by making fun of any one of the person in a group. The persons doesn't know that if he break the confidence of any person, then how can he built the confident within self. One should definitely have to built the faith of any person he meets to feel confident to himself. Whatever happens no matter but please be cheerful. It is the signature of confidence. |
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white tiger, if not scheming for control they might truly believe that the way they sees the facts is the way they are. for some are brought into this life with a spiritual defect where yours is already on the path
@Fred if the way they are is not perfected in truth and they still have some unsolved ripple on the surface of the water that they have put aside to not see it. then is it a spiritual defect? or is it something that: IS NOT SOLVE FOR THEM THAT THEY HAVE PUT ON THE SIDE TO NOT SEE IT? Eventually it will come back they will be face with it. If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.
White tiger there are spiritual difficulties but not spiritual defects.
there are spiritual deficiencies as some have physical or emotional.that the spirit has no place in guiding what we will is a defect and could be put back on track if so chosen, learning to see how they were designed to be
@fred I love you.
@fred some are lost in them self and are looking out for the answer they can only find it in. when their heart and mind will agree in all truth there will be no more inequity and they will find the way home.
"they will find the way home" I like it.
when the living one will see himself in truth where there is no more inequity for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. they will go in and out and find pasture. if it as help you in your understanding so be it.
this is not to deep but can make you understand 40 days in the desert seeking the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7gKzjobh5E&list=PLt3QuLM1b08rAitV3StGit15BLM86m-mS to answer your question about the pleidian. the problem arise when they fall under their ego and fight among them self saying I am God. and this will arise if they still fall in inequity.
@white tiger Will you please clarify what you mean by "people who are still lost"? Thank you.
@i4cim2b to answer you people that are lost are trying to find them self. in the case of Moojy for example he use satsang to try to go deeper in to one self. if you would want to get a guide to get to a destination and that guide would tell you it does not exist because he deny it to himself and other. then that guide did not find it for himself and cannot help other people to get there. he can only help people to get to where he as reached.
let me ask you is it good to deny your self and other people something. example someone ask you for water saying I am thirsty will you say to them you have no bucket and the well is deep and water does not exist? would you then ask that person do you have a bucket and did you send it deep enough to get some water before saying to me water does not exist? and he would say to you forget about water it does not exist. then you would need to get a bucket a rope and go deep enough to find water for-
yourself and not rely on him to get you water since he did not find it yet even if he as a bucket and a rope and know that the well is deep.
@white tiger Thank you. I understand what you are saying and do agree in principle with your point of view. However, your criticism seems to begin when you refer to Mooji "he said that he does not enjoy is existence and need to find is way out." followed by "If a blind guide a blind both will fall in to a pit. He was clearly speaking in the third person perspective when he said this. Are you familiar with the grammatical change from 1st person to 3rd person.
you have to listen closely and you can hear him clearly introduce and then moves smoothly to 3rd persons where he is not referring to himself in this statement. Instead he is speaking as a 3rd party, not present. He tells the man, yes there are many who feel this way and the proceeds to speak. He is actually imitating or acting out the sound of some guy complaining about his existence. That leads into the Buddha story, then to the man wanting to control his anger, to which Mooji tells him
to first find himself and thus his true freedom and the other issues will will be solved as well.
@i4cim2b If the one speaking deny it to himself and other that he use as many person as he wants does not change the fact that he cannot guide other farther along that where he went. is it a criticism from my part or am I telling you the truth? I am he that is speaking to you.at 4.30 he said there is no I speaking. well if there is no I speaking and no I listening what kind of sharing do you want to do?
Also you can see the new answer from mooji http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fRmssS_tSs
he now offer you the choice and let you find out.